Lightning Lane at Walt Disney World

dmw

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In the Parks
No
Soarin only doesn't work becasue your FP+ or G+ only gets you priority to the pre- boarding area. And if you time it wrong, you can be waiting there for 20 minutes on its own.
that is true at other parks with the skip the line pass. I was just at Dollywood on Monday and purchased the timesaver pass. On some rides my wristband was scanned and I was assigned to a row to board immediately (or at least on the next car). On other rides the scan location was not quite in the boarding area. It was more like the merge point for FP+ in Soarin, Thunder Mountain, 7DMT, etc.
 

DCLcruiser

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This is how I think of it:

2020
$109/ticket = $94 admission + $15 FP

2021
$109/ticket = $109 admission
$124/ticket = $109 admission + $15 Genie+

The admission price went up. The price for line skipping is the same. The people who can't skip are paying the same price as before, which is fine bc they always paid that price and just didn't use FP. I can understand wanting to put them at a further discount.
 

Thepuma

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unlimited access to walk on any ride they want thruout the day? i say they sell out immediately. My last trip in November ive never seen more plaid's in my life and while online overhearing conversations multiple times they were telling the paying party they were looking to add to that workforce bc of the high demand for that service. now imagine in theory charging less for that same service unless you want to "show off" walking around w a plaid for hours. you tell me how quick this sells out
In theory the price would fluctuate depending on the time of year and/or the projected business of the park....so a Tuesday in January would be say $120 but a weekend at Xmas or Summer break would be say $500
 
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Thepuma

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that is true at other parks with the skip the line pass. I was just at Dollywood on Monday and purchased the timesaver pass. On some rides my wristband was scanned and I was assigned to a row to board immediately (or at least on the next car). On other rides the scan location was not quite in the boarding area. It was more like the merge point for FP+ in Soarin, Thunder Mountain, 7DMT, etc.
On my recent trip there was a couple of occasions when I queued longer in the G+ than I would have on the stand by queue....granted, they werent huge attractions but it still happened.
 

G00fyDad

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You must have had extremely good luck then. And I'm a huge fan and defender of FastPass+. Most attractions I would agree with you, but there were a handful that would occasionally get to be 20 or 30 minutes like Soarin, And if any park had a high number of attractions down in a given day, the anytime fast passes could end up driving The fastpass queue up.

That is why I would choose the FP+ specifically FOR those attractions that would have a long wait without it.
 

crazy4disney

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In the Parks
No
I have yet to hear a single positive reason where G+ is better than FP+...in every single respect its worse. Cost, useability, accuracy,availability....everything about G+ is worse.

Now ILL...yes, it costs but its a way of guaranteeing yourself a ride on something that otherwise you'd have to wait a long long time to ride
....But G+? I just don't get how anyone can say anything positive about it...over FP+
But FP+ as a resort guest basically did that already and pretty much at the time you wanted for free!
 

GXIncognto

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I have yet to hear a single positive reason where G+ is better than FP+...in every single respect its worse. Cost, useability, accuracy,availability....everything about G+ is worse.

Now ILL...yes, it costs but its a way of guaranteeing yourself a ride on something that otherwise you'd have to wait a long long time to ride
....But G+? I just don't get how anyone can say anything positive about it...over FP+

There is one single way it is "better." Say your family shows up for a 7-day trip having done absolutely no research beforehand. Under FP+, if you show up having made zero FP choices and find out about FP day 1, you are basically screwed for the best rides the entire 7-day trip. Under G+ you are screwed day 1 but on the same level as everybody else days 2-7. So everybody else gets a worse product in order to placate idiots.
 
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Patcheslee

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I'm surprised Genie+ wasn't introduced as valid for single park and an additional $X to have it valid across multiple parks. That could limit the stacking after 2pm somewhat.
 

Jrb1979

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I have yet to hear a single positive reason where G+ is better than FP+...in every single respect its worse. Cost, useability, accuracy,availability....everything about G+ is worse.

Now ILL...yes, it costs but its a way of guaranteeing yourself a ride on something that otherwise you'd have to wait a long long time to ride
....But G+? I just don't get how anyone can say anything positive about it...over FP+
FP+ was good for on site guests and the planners of the world. For everyone else it was awful. Genie+ isn't better. TBH they should have went the Universal route. A much better system and the best part is no return times.
 

Thepuma

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There is one single way it is "better." Say your family shows up for a 7-day trip having done absolutely no research beforehand. Under FP+, if you show up having made zero FP choices and find out about FP day 1, you are basically screwed for the best rides the entire 7-day trip. Under G+ you are screwed day 1 but on the same level as everybody else days 2-7. So everybody else gets a worse product in order to placate idiots.
I wouldn't say you were screwed, but certainly at a disadvantage. My first ever trip to Orlando I never knew a thing about FP+ (never even knew it existed till I was inside the park and overheard someone) - I immediately downloaded the app, created my account and I was on my way in Magic Kingdom an 30 minutes after park opening booking FP+...granted it wasn't Seven Dwarves or Jungle Cruise, but I did manage to FP+ most things that day and queued for 7D which was only a 60 minute wait...I also managed to swap some good rides by people changing their plans and swapping out something, so I jumped in.

I do get your point though...and I agree to an extent. I guess you have to weigh up if losing a couple of fast passes (by refusing to plan in advance) makes up for paying $70 each and every day for a family of 4..plus another $100 a day to get ILL for the best 2 rides each and every day..and if that trades off well with just having to plan 30 days in advance in the old system which, for a family of 4 over 7 days saves around $1200 for what is the same experience as before for free.

So you have to work out if your refusal to plan 30 days ahead is worth $1200?
 
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Thepuma

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FP+ was good for on site guests and the planners of the world. For everyone else it was awful. Genie+ isn't better. TBH they should have went the Universal route. A much better system and the best part is no return times.
On our recent trip we stayed 1 night at Portofino Bay which got us Express passes for check in day (saturday) and check out day (sunday) - On Saturday we had no luck at all with it and ended up leaving the park at 2pm as the Express lines were still long waits. Obviously not as long as the stand by lines but on certain lines it wasn't far off....and actually on JP river adventure the guy running the queue clearly hated those with Expres passes as he was hardly letting any on....so the stand by queue was almost empty and the EP line was 50 deep - I was convinced he thought it was the single rider line!!

On Sunday we fared better...but my overriding thought was, if we had paid $500 between us for those 2 days Express Passes, we would have been very very disappointed.

So the lesson for these theme parks is, if you are going to charge heavily for something, make damn sure its implemented correctly.
 

pdude81

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Its like with the parking fees that were so “controversial” could have easily added $10-30 acrossboard based on category & allocate that directly to parking line item. Would have generated more $ and less negative feedback.
However, the parking fees are a specific disincentive for bringing a car. If the goal is more to control behavior than to raise revenue, that doesn't help.

Here again, they didn't plan for so many people to pay the $15. Had they just raised prices and given it to everybody, the system would be even worse than it is now.
 

Disney Glimpses

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Its like with the parking fees that were so “controversial” could have easily added $10-30 acrossboard based on category & allocate that directly to parking line item. Would have generated more $ and less negative feedback.
Wasn’t the parking decision less of a money maker and more of a car volume reducer? I could be wrong on that.
 

JMcMahonEsq

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But FP+ as a resort guest basically did that already and pretty much at the time you wanted for free!
For anyone that did not stay on property, or book long duration trips, Genie + is a better option than FP+. All of the better FP selections were gone 60 days out prior to off site guests ever getting a shot at them.

For anyone booking last minute trips Genie+ is way way better than FP as any high demand FP that might Have been left over from on property guests would be gone 30 days out. You just on average don’t see those type of people on message boards or complaining about it.
 

Thepuma

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For anyone that did not stay on property, or book long duration trips, Genie + is a better option than FP+. All of the better FP selections were gone 60 days out prior to off site guests ever getting a shot at them.

For anyone booking last minute trips Genie+ is way way better than FP as any high demand FP that might Have been left over from on property guests would be gone 30 days out. You just on average don’t see those type of people on message boards or complaining about it.
Not really.

The BEST rides are now ILL...which means resort guests get first dibs hours before the non resort guests...which means, by the time the park opens and non resort guests get to book ILL, they are either completely sold out or at best, late return times.

During FP+ days...I never had a problem getting FP+ 30 days out for most rides....the only exception being FOP, SDD and sometimes SDMT....of which I just rope dropped when that park wasn't magic hours day...so basically got on those in 10 minutes...so like a free fast pass.
 

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