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Thepuma

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That to me says they didn't price it high enough and the big one they didn't follow what other parks do in limiting sales of Genie+
Disney are clever...they wanted more money so they made G+ cheap enough so most people would buy it without too much pushback from customers. They knew if they charged $50 it would cause too much negative press and not enough people would buy it...so less profit.
 
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Disney Glimpses

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No to both of you....Genie+ was introduced for one reason...and one reason only...To make more money. If it wasnt then G+ would be free.

Don't get fooled into thinking Disney did this for any other reason, because there is NOTHING good about it, its inferior in every way to FP+ and ironically we have to pay for this inferior product.

Only at Disney.
I mean, that's a given. My point was they wanted to monetize FP+ by making it a better experience for vacationers. Their goal absolutely was to not make money and make it worse for guests, despite what many people here believe.
 

mmascari

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Yes, very limited in fact. They are sold out until July and even then still pretty limited. That's another issue here, that's a business they do not want to cannibalize.
That makes the choice of $15 and thinking it would be enough to keep demand low enough even more ridiculous.

Assuming I read this right, the cheapest VIP tour is $425/hour, minimum 7 hours, $2,975 but good for 10 people. Say $300 per person for a day. Could even be $600 or more if you use the max cost and do not have 10 people in the group.

Now, one would assume that LL can support more people than VIP tours can, so the quantity sold can be larger. But, they already knew that even at over $300 per person they are selling out of VIP tours. For that matter, they know that ILL are selling out every day too.

They could raise the VIP tour price, raise the G+ price, raise the ILL price, raise them all and still not drive demand low enough to make them not run out of capacity. Certainly to a price higher than many here would pay.

Would even $100 be enough to reduce demand? Just like buying 2 park tickets instead of 1 per person. One to get in and one to get a shorter wait.

At $15, even with 4 people over 6 days, the extra cost is small compared to the cost of the entire trip. It feels like you have to spend it. If it was over $2,000 it would certainly feel different in that comparison.
 

Jrb1979

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I mean, that's a given. My point was they wanted to monetize FP+ by making it a better experience for vacationers. Their goal absolutely was to not make money and make it worse for guests, despite what many people here believe.
It still goes back to not enough capacity in the parks. Til the fix that all they are doing is rearranging the deck chairs on a cruise ship.

We wont be back unless they do
Would you go back if they made it similar to Universal?
 

Thepuma

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I really think the idea that FP+ shut out non-resort guests is inaccurate, or at least overstated. In my experience as such a guest, the system worked very well indeed. Sure, those who booked two months early enjoyed an advantage, but it was perfectly possible to make really good use of FP+ even at the very last minute.

People used to swap out their FP+ through the day so you often were able to snag a decent FP+ all through the day.

I'll never forget the time we started to queue for Tower of Terror in a 2 hour queue...as I walked into the queue I kept refreshing the tip board (or whatever it was called then) and like magic a TOT FP+ came up so I quickly took it and came out the line and straight onto the ride.

This is practically impossible now as you need to take time cancelling your current G+ and by the time you've done that the G+ you wanted has gone, along with the one you'd just cancelled.
 

Jeff4272

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There's so many problems with Genie+.....

The main problem is, Disney execs thought it would work for both DL and WDW and that couldnt be further from the truth...............The biggest difference being that WDW is a destination and DL is a locals/day park

theres not enough rides at the 4 separate WDW parks

people booking 7+ day vacations want assurances that they can get on the headliners if they are paying that much to stay there

waking up at 7am is not a vacation

etc

etc

etc
 

crazy4disney

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In the Parks
No
I think similar, but I actually think they need to go down the Universal Express pass route and charge something like $100 for a day's G+...that would definitely decrease people using it and therefore more availability ..while also making Disney more money...win win.
to me thats a slippery slope because at that price point you will finally get to people's limit and force them to wait on long lines for everything & make the experience awful imo and will end up having people not return
 

Jeff4272

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It still goes back to not enough capacity in the parks. Til the fix that all they are doing is rearranging the deck chairs on a cruise ship.


Would you go back if they made it similar to Universal?
Yes.....I dont want to have to get up and I want to know i can get on the top rides when i want
 

mmascari

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First people cried about $15/day and now we want $100?
People want it to work, to get what you pay for.

At $15, most of us are clearly willing to pay for it, even if a little grumpy. But, it's not working.
At $100, many of us (but not all) wouldn't be willing to pay for it. But, for those that were willing, the assumption is there would be enough less usage that it would actually work.

Just like most people here do not buy VIP tours, but some do.

I don't want to pay $100 for it. I want it to work, or not be required. The assumption is, at $100 it wouldn't be required. Or, perhaps I would buy it for just 1 day, and it would work then.

As of now, I've bought it for 6 days and I'm thinking it's going to be a pain.
 

mikejs78

Premium Member
No to both of you....Genie+ was introduced for one reason...and one reason only...To make more money. If it wasnt then G+ would be free.

Don't get fooled into thinking Disney did this for any other reason, because there is NOTHING good about it, its inferior in every way to FP+ and ironically we have to pay for this inferior product.

Only at Disney.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Given their track records, I trust @ToTBellHop and @disneyglimpses over either of you when it comes to what the impetus for Genie+ was. Of course it was to make money, but the intent wasn't to provide a bad product. That happened because of some bad decisions.
 

Disney Glimpses

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Given their track records, I trust @ToTBellHop and @disneyglimpses over either of you when it comes to what the impetus for Genie+ was. Of course it was to make money, but the intent wasn't to provide a bad product. That happened because of some bad decisions.
Believe it or not, Disney does not hate their guests or want them to suffer endlessly.
 

Thepuma

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First people cried about $15/day and now we want $100?

FP+ was never actually free, it was imbedded, but now you have the option to NOT pay for it.
If that was true the price to get in would be decreased...they have hit you both ends...increased entrance price...added $15 a day for G+ and , for most, another $25 for buying 2 ILL

FP+ was free end of...G+ and ILL are simply money grabs. You are paying a lot more for a lot lot worse experience .
 

G00fyDad

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Given their track records, I trust @ToTBellHop and @disneyglimpses over either of you when it comes to what the impetus for Genie+ was. Of course it was to make money, but the intent wasn't to provide a bad product. That happened because of some bad decisions.

We all have our opinions......

Robert Downey Jr Ok GIF
 

ToTBellHop

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Given their track records, I trust @ToTBellHop and @disneyglimpses over either of you when it comes to what the impetus for Genie+ was. Of course it was to make money, but the intent wasn't to provide a bad product. That happened because of some bad decisions.
They want to make money but thankfully, they realize people are going home and telling friends that Genie+ is very stressful. They know this is not sustainable long-term. $15 is nothing if they can’t fill deluxe resorts. The plan was, “extend hours for resort guests who are able to arrive early and, for the highest tier resorts, guests who can stay late. For the rest, offer the ability to skip lines for a nominal fee.”

The extended hours work great for early birds and night owls and are very successful. Unfortunately, they made a mistake when they guessed how many people would place themselves in the “for the rest” category. It wasn’t meant to be everyone. Locals are supposed to be okay with riding a few rides after work and going home.
 
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