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Lightning Lane at Walt Disney World
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Ummm... most demand/surge pricing is least expensive at first, then when inventory lessens and they know they'll be able to sell all their inventory, *then* they raise prices. As inventory goes, prices rise (it's what Disney on Broadway pioneered and what most Broadway shows do now).
So, I'd expect the 7am resort perk for the LL$s would be beneficial as they should be cheaper in the morning when there's plenty of inventory.
The only way that it would be cheaper later in the day is if the inventory looks like it isn't going to sell out, and so, it gets discounted.
From what I've read so far...
When 7am rolls around and you're staying at a Disney resort you have two options once Genie has been released:
1. join the BG/Virtual lottery
2. buy a LL$
If you try the lottery first and win, you're set. If you lose, then you need to quickly try to purchase a LL$ for it (whether it be Rat or RotR).
Or you can avoid the lottery and just go for the LL$ if you have the disposable income.
Dunno if you can do both, or if they rig the system so that no one can ride more than once per day.
Non-resort guests only have option #1 at 7am. If they lose the lottery, they have to wait until the time the park is scheduled to open to try to buy a LL$.
As for how WDW is managing the inventory.... dunno. I would suppose they have X amount of lottery slots and Y amount of LL$ slots each day that they will adjust once they see the demand for LL$.
We saw this past Sunday that RotR opened to normies on an unusually slow day and they made it through all the BGs. So, that's always an option.
raymusiccity
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"Hope for the best, expect the worst!" They may start this cash grab at $15.00, but, watch how fast 'seasonal adjustments' are made and the usual price increases come rolling along like clockwork!
Cmdr_Crimson
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To me it's just this in Digital Form..
Only way to balance it out is lower Admission prices into the park to make it seem like a better value...
Only way to balance it out is lower Admission prices into the park to make it seem like a better value...
I'm sorry if this has been asked before - but will there be a limit on how many people purchase genie+? If too many people purchase then there is going to be very limited options for fastpasses throughout the day and therefore really won't be worth the extra $15 per person per day!
MrPromey
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To me it's just this in Digital Form..
Only way to balance it out is lower Admission prices into the park to make it seem like a better value...
If they were straight and said that "due to unprecedented demand" this is the direction they had to go, I'd be on board.
I'd still call BS due to the fact that they engineered the problem themselves but at least they'd be operating in semi-good faith instead of finding a way to monetize the problem they created.
Updated Bullet points:
No Genie
Genie
Genie+ [G+$]
Individual Attractions Lightning Lanes $elect Experiences (LL$)
Virtual Queues
See also...
www.wdwmagic.com
This might help:
For the new top tier rides (it seems to be 2 per park for now), like 7DMT, you have these options:
For the new top tier rides where are also a Boarding Group VQ (RotR, Rat) you have these options:
For almost all other rides (HM, BTMR, PPF, DINOSAUR, etc..), they have a Lightning Lane (previously called FastPass Queue), and your options are:
No Genie
- Show up, get in standby lines
- Can still use MDE
Genie
- The app that will plan your day 'for free' by guiding you to your preferred attractions (standby lines) throughout the day.
- Coming "this Fall" (no, no one knows when exactly, please don't ask)
Genie+ [G+$]
- Purchasing Genie+
- Costs $15 per day per guest per day at WDW; costs $20 at DL.
- G+$ can be bought on a day-to-day basis.
- If you purchase a multi-day ticket/package, you can add G+$ for the whole stay.
- APs can purchase G+$ per day on each day they attend.
- It is unknown at this time if Disney will have an option to pay one price to add G+$ to an AP for every visit (like a Park Hopper Pass can be added).
- Benefit: Lightning Lanes [LL]
- G+$ gives you access to Lightning Lanes (LLs, previously, FP Queues), which are available one-at-a-time throughout the day.
- In this way, you can schedule your LLs like Maxpass in DL or with the old paper passes.
- Shows you the next available scheduling slot for a slew of rides (with the exception of select 'tier 1' rides) and you pick one, and show up at the time.
- All guests can schedule their first LL at 7a at WDW. At DL, they can schedule their first LL once in the park.
- You don't have to be in the park in which your next LL is scheduled (so, you can chose your LL at the resort, e.g., or at another park and then hop)
- When can you grab your next LL? Book another LL when your return window opens for your current 'open' LL
- (Possibly: or a new LL in 2 hours [or 90 minutes], whichever is sooner, which is the current DL practice of Maxpass). This needs confirmation
- G+$ gives you access to Lightning Lanes (LLs, previously, FP Queues), which are available one-at-a-time throughout the day.
- Benefits, Miscellaneous:
- at DL, Genie+$ gives you Photopass and audio tour tracks
- At WDW, G+$ doesn't give you photopass, but you get augmented reality lens and some audio tour tracks.
Individual Attractions Lightning Lanes $elect Experiences (LL$)
- Buy up to two Lightning Lane $elections (formerly, "fastpasses") for select rides, which are most likely the old Tier 1
- The select rides are most likely to be, but not fully confirmed, and can change with time are: Space, 7DMT, Test Track, Rat, RotR, Slinky, Kilimanjaro, and FoP (two from each park)
- OR... this will be the list: Space, 7DMT, FEA, Rat, RotR, MMRR, FoP, Everest
- Disney Resort Guests at WDW can purchase LL$ at 7am day-of.
- Non-resort-guests have to wait until the park opens to buy their LL$.
- You don't have to be in the park in which your LL$ is scheduled
- this way, you can chose your LL$ at the resort, e.g., or at another park and then hop
- You don't have to purchase Genie+$15 in order to buy your one or two LL$ (Lightning Lane $elect Experience). A person looking for rides on Genie (regular, not 'plus') will see a button to *purchase* a LL for select rides.
- Disney isn't sure what to call this. I guess we'll see which wording Disney will stick with. We've seen:
- Lightning Lane Select Experiences
- Individual Attraction Selections
- Individual Attractions
Virtual Queues
- Will be found under Genie (regular, not 'plus')
- RotR and Rat will have them.
- RotR will no longer have the 1 PM half-day lottery once Genie is active
- If you miss the VQ lottery:
- These attractions could possibly wind up with standby lines on slow days, or,
- you may be able to buy a LL$ for it under Genie (regular, not 'plus')
See also...
Disney Genie, Genie+, and Lightning Lane FAQ for Walt Disney World
Your most frequently asked questions about the new Disney Genie service coming to Walt Disney World.
www.wdwmagic.com
This might help:
For the new top tier rides (it seems to be 2 per park for now), like 7DMT, you have these options:
- Standby
- Purchase a LL$ (Individual Selection Lightning Lane) for some undetermined price for now
For the new top tier rides where are also a Boarding Group VQ (RotR, Rat) you have these options:
- Join the lottery at 7 AM (free)
- Purchase a LL$ (Individual Selection Lightning Lane) for some undetermined price for now
For almost all other rides (HM, BTMR, PPF, DINOSAUR, etc..), they have a Lightning Lane (previously called FastPass Queue), and your options are:
- Standby
- Purchase Genie+ for $15 per day per person, and you can schedule a LL one-at-a-time throughout the day
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MrPromey
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They haven't said anything about there being a limit.
One thing to keep in mind though is that since everyone can only do one at a time, at least for the first half of the day, options should be pretty wide for things in tier 2.
Where it might get tighter is as the day gets later and more and more people have run out of things they wanted in the earlier semi-current hours and have started taking times for everything in the afternoon/evening.
That was an issue with the original fastpass and something that we dealt with through FP+ as well, when people who had used their original three for a park were on the prowl for their 4th, 5th, etc. pass of the day.
Casper Gutman
Well-Known Member
Thank you for this.
My understanding from earlier in this thread is that guests not staying on property could purchase LL tickets for Rise (and possibly Rat) at 7. Is this not the case?
At WDW for the rides with VQs (Rat and RotR)
- The lottery is for everyone at 7 AM whether at a Disney Resort or not.
- Purchasing the Individual Selection LL$ opens up for Disney Resort guests at 7 AM, regardless if it's a VQ ride or not.
- Guests not staying at a Disney Resort can't purchase a LL$ until the park opens.
At WDW for the rides that are 'tier 2'
- For the G+$LLs, the one-at-a-time 'tier 2' LLs, Disney Resort guests have no advantage. Everyone can select their first one of the day at 7 AM.
To Skip the Line at Disney, Get Ready to Pay a Genie (Published 2021)
For the first time, line-skipping privileges at Walt Disney World in Florida will cost $15 per person, an added cost for what is already an expensive destination.
I anticipate RotR to become a rip-you-off option as opposed to a VQ quite early on (and to hell with the consequences) plus MMRR.
Space Mountain will also take the rip-you-off option - until Tron opens. Then we’ll see which direction they move in. Move the money on top of money option to Tron, or make Tron the 3rd rip-you-off choice for the MK.
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1HAPPYGHOSTHOST
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1 doubtful since he came back for the 3rd film and they heavily promoted his return
2. It's not his character. He didn't own the Genie. He played the Genie. Disney owns the character and all related images and can do with it whatever they please
GhostHost1000
Premium Member
Wow Disney is really getting slammed on social media for this news. Even the official Disney Parks blog comments are pretty ugly. I hope they are seeing this.
I knew it was likely to be a bad reaction but I didn’t think it would be this bad. It’s overwhelmingly hate vs like.
I knew it was likely to be a bad reaction but I didn’t think it would be this bad. It’s overwhelmingly hate vs like.
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brb1006
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I seriously miss the days when World Showcase had not only performers. But the France and Italy Pavilions used to have Living Status that surprise guests.
Stuff like that is what made World Showcase feel more alive compared to now. And I miss them so dang much!
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1HAPPYGHOSTHOST
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No its not "unbranded". It is just a Lightning Lane you pay indivdually for. Its still a Lightning Lane. Same as all tge others but you pay individually for it.
GhostHost1000
Premium Member
If they would expand and build more NEW attractions that consume more people in the parks instead of just replacing existing attractions all lines would be shorter and quicker moving
Casper Gutman
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The Genie is Robin Williams, in a way very few other characters ARE their performer.