Jeff4272
Well-Known Member
And thats one of the main reasons why its terrible
But people keep paying for it so they wont change it as long as that happens
We are voting with our wallet, im just not sure it matters.......
Bummer b we loved WDW
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But people keep paying for it so they wont change it as long as that happens
We are voting with our wallet, im just not sure it matters.......
Bummer b we loved WDW
soxpackersdisneyhawks
Active Member
After the email they told me to see the front desk at OKW. They told me sorry and offered genie plus for the day.
what about the ppl that aren’t on site who would they get passed to in this jockeyeing of the problem. Genie chat. Customer experience team. Email. Front desk. I mean cmon that’s just dumb.
I would also suggest for big groups - have 2 dedicated people with everyone in their friends/family list with a plan of attack!
When we had 4 of us, 2 of us got up at 7 am and we booked whatever ILLs we were getting for the day right at 7am. So one of us would purchased Rise for the group and the other purchased MMRR right 7 am.
Work out paying each other back later!
When we had 4 of us, 2 of us got up at 7 am and we booked whatever ILLs we were getting for the day right at 7am. So one of us would purchased Rise for the group and the other purchased MMRR right 7 am.
Work out paying each other back later!
Chi84
Premium Member
So in other words, it's selling like hotcakes.
Jeff4272
Well-Known Member
Sounds like a great vacation.......we did same thing every day we were there and everyone in the room woke up.........ruined the whole tripI would also suggest for big groups - have 2 dedicated people with everyone in their friends/family list with a plan of attack!
When we had 4 of us, 2 of us got up at 7 am and we booked whatever ILLs we were getting for the day right at 7am. So one of us would purchased Rise for the group and the other purchased MMRR right 7 am.
Work out paying each other back later!
And lastly, if you don't mind waiting in line for between 30 and 60 minutes, I don't think you need to purchase ILL for Space Mountain, Everest or even MMRR.
Our experience was Everest never really had that long of a wait, Space would ebb and flow, and MMRR was practically empty near close.
And if you are staying on-site, that 30 minute early entry really is helping with rides like Rat.
(obviously during super crowded times, this won't apply)
Our experience was Everest never really had that long of a wait, Space would ebb and flow, and MMRR was practically empty near close.
And if you are staying on-site, that 30 minute early entry really is helping with rides like Rat.
(obviously during super crowded times, this won't apply)
dovetail65
Well-Known Member
Well yeah, but this is Feb, during the busier times by 7:15 am there may and actually was at one time nothing, all sold out. Let's think about it. If LL's not being available is the case how do we fix that? Many guests would rather change the dates of entire trip to be assured as long as an attraction was not down for being broken or down for maintenance that they could get on in less than 120 minutes by paying for an LL.
Either standby everything or have a system so every single guest has a 100% certainty of being able to pay to skip the line. This 7am lottery system is not right.
So how is that achieved? It is pretty simple actually.
WDW takes 50%(or some %) of the LL and allow them to be reserved and paid for 30, 60 even 180 days in advance. Then the guests that want or can plan their travel trips to get this assurance of an LL can get that. The guests that do not want to plan can wake up at 7:00 and take their chance like now, and it is a chance right now. A system like that will work. People that are no shows for the reservations, Disney can just let those LL out at 1 PM. Guests that don't to want to plan/pay ahead for LL can wake up at 7 and try like now. I would back up my trip a year to get reserved LL if it was a once in lifetime trip, many people would.
It is far better me going to WDW knowing I could have planned my LL, chose not to reserve it, then found out at 7am I could not get one than me going to WDW with no choice and not getting one. I believe a system like this some day in the future will happen. WDW refuses to go the Universal or 6 flags skip the line route, so how else WDW can do this skip the line thing and be different I don't know. For me so far the LL Genie+ is a mixed bag at best.
Oh and just check at 1:00pm I think you are going to find they seem let a bunch more out at that time, whether they are supposed to or not or if it was luck or coincidence that's how it was working out for me.
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DonniePeverley
Well-Known Member
It has to go.
I want a holiday, not a bloody have to take a lesson in computer technology before arriving.
I'll give them an extra $50 in my tickets to make them stop this nonsense.
I want a holiday, not a bloody have to take a lesson in computer technology before arriving.
I'll give them an extra $50 in my tickets to make them stop this nonsense.
Purduevian
Well-Known Member
~2:45 on Friday 1/28
LL that are more than two hours away:
MK
Big Thunder 8:30pm
Buzz 5:10PM
HM: 7:45PM
Small World: 4:55PM
JC: Sold Out
Magic Carpets: 5:00PM
Pooh: 6:20PM
Pan: 9:30PM
Pirates: 6:30PM
7D: Sold Out
EPCOT
RAT: Sold Out
Soarin: 4:50PM
TT: Sold Out
DHS:
Alien: 5:30PM
MMRR: 7:40PM
MFSR: 8:25PM
RnRC: 8:10PM
SDD: Sold Out
RotR: Sold Out
TSMM: 5:10PM
ToT: 4:55PM
AK:
FoP: Sold Out
Dinosaur: 5:55PM
Na'vi: Sold Out
LL that are more than two hours away:
MK
Big Thunder 8:30pm
Buzz 5:10PM
HM: 7:45PM
Small World: 4:55PM
JC: Sold Out
Magic Carpets: 5:00PM
Pooh: 6:20PM
Pan: 9:30PM
Pirates: 6:30PM
7D: Sold Out
EPCOT
RAT: Sold Out
Soarin: 4:50PM
TT: Sold Out
DHS:
Alien: 5:30PM
MMRR: 7:40PM
MFSR: 8:25PM
RnRC: 8:10PM
SDD: Sold Out
RotR: Sold Out
TSMM: 5:10PM
ToT: 4:55PM
AK:
FoP: Sold Out
Dinosaur: 5:55PM
Na'vi: Sold Out
dovetail65
Well-Known Member
I agree, the new system is fairly complex.
That might 50 a day might work for 2 or 3 lines where you had a time in advance at WDW, but to just go to a fast line with no set times I suspect it would need cost 150 to 200 a day at WDW. Universal has a system where you pay and just head wherever you want for the most part and it cost more than 50.00.
Skip the regular lines at most popular rides and attractions once per ride. Separate theme park admission required 79.00.
Skip the regular lines at most popular rides and attractions as many times as you want. Separate theme park admission required 109.00.
And Universals AP holders get the skip the line once per ride scheme included after 4pm each day.
Six flags it cost even more money PER DAY and they have more options(Bronze Flash Pass 20% faster lines cost 90 bucks, Gold Flash Pass 60% faster lines cost - 125.00 and Platinum Flash Pass 90% faster lines for 170.00.
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www.sixflags.com
One of the Six Flags parks is following Disney by offering a skip the line charge on a per ride basis too!
Six Flags Magic Mountain launches pay-per-ride option on 4 coasters
Magic Mountain has launched a single-use, pay-per-ride Flash Pass on four of the Valencia amusement park’s most popular roller coasters.
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If there are no set times then the price needs be way higher to where everyone just doesn't pay it or the fast line could end up being longer than the regular standby line. If Six Flags charges 170.00 and people pay it, then Disney charges what, 300? I dont think the no reservation scheme works at Disney unless the cost is very high, but a reserved pay system could, even if it is daily like it is now. The reservations for FP far ahead of time is what made Disney better for me (I know we beat this to death) and I can not afford another 170 per person per day. 50 or 60 bucks may be a nice way to do it, but I just do not think that is feasible at WDW.
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They are already letting LL people go ahead of standby by a large margin in most cases. But if they make lines 90% LL, then everyone will need to be "special". And when everyone is "special"... no one is.
Jrb1979
Well-Known Member
Then they need to limit how many people can buy it as well. Disney has screwed this up so bad by trying to keep it fair and available for everyone.
But then that limits revenue, and revenue must be maximized.
I'm not disagreeing, BTW. They've gotten themselves into a bit of a pickle with yet another short-sighted revenue stream, and I'm genuinely curious how they will get themselves out of it. There is not an insignificant number of people who have actually bought this and have sworn it off due to their experiences with it. Do they A) stay the course and be content with a growing population of park consumers who are unhappy with this new G+ system and either refuse to buy it or, worse, refuse to go, B) Make adjustments which may or may not make things better, or C) Junk it entirely and/or come up with another, probably even-more-confusing system in its place?
gerarar
Premium Member
I mean for Rise it's like that. At the merge point it was all LL parties plus one standby party. (I personally counted 7 LL parties plus myself as a party of 1 when entering the Rey room).
That usually occurred after the ride reopens from a breakdown due to the large influx of LL's.
MrPromey
Well-Known Member
I agree, the new system is fairly complex.
That might 50 a day might work for 2 or 3 lines where you had a time in advance at WDW, but to just go to a fast line with no set times I suspect it would need cost 150 to 200 a day at WDW. Universal has a system where you pay and just head wherever you want for the most part and it cost more than 50.00.
Skip the regular lines at most popular rides and attractions once per ride. Separate theme park admission required 79.00.
Skip the regular lines at most popular rides and attractions as many times as you want. Separate theme park admission required 109.00.
And Universals AP holders get the skip the line once per ride scheme included after 4pm each day.
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Remember with Universal, that option serves more to "show the value" of staying on-site in one of their premium resorts than anything else.
It's a brilliant move and one Disney couldn't mimic even if they wanted to since their ratio of on-property room to attraction capacity is so insanely out of wack. I don't think they could offer something like this even if they were to just limit it to deluxe resorts and have it not be a nightmare for everyone concerned.
dovetail65
Well-Known Member
The option is there for the hotel guests, brilliant I am not so sure about that, necessity more like. And it's not that Disney can't, why the heck should they or want to? It would cost them money and they dont need kick in free LL's to sell rooms, they are sold out 6 month out at 600 night a pop. Add in free LL and it might take a year to get a room at WDW or the cost would jump another 200 a night so that didn't happen, it's the last thing we need.
It's nice universal offers that skip the line in some of the room costs, but from my perspective Universal has to offer it as that is a huge reason people even stay there at their price point. Take that perk from universal away and far less universal rooms would be sold, it's just not the case at WDW they don't need to do it.
In a discussion on about how to make LL better at WDW, giving LL included to onsite hotel guests might just jam up the Genie + LL system up even more. It's is the last thing needed in my opinion.
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It's close to that already. The default is 80% LL 20% SB. When LL gets packed up its 90/10. Defaulting to 90/10 would be horrible. Standby lines are already at a standstill, upping it to 90% would massively penalize anyone in a standby line.
They're better off just limiting how many people can purchase it per day.
JoeCamel
Well-Known Member
Are they?
Is it?
$2xx a night for RPR which is a very nice hotel, you can get Portofino for the 200s on offer. For that price plus four unlimited express passes I consider it a deal as do others.
MrPromey
Well-Known Member
Not sure where you get the idea Disney is sold out six months in advance. They currently have rooms open in many of their open resorts as little as a couple weeks out from today and are running a discount promotion right now for Florida residents to boost occupancy.
It's been this way with availability for a while now, despite Disney being slow to reopen all resorts for bookings.
Point about Universal and their access is that the vast majority of people using it aren't paying for it, directly. They're getting it for "free" with their rooms.
Universal's price point on the paid option is largely a marketing tactic to set the value on the "free" benefit for resort guests as in "with the four of us, the room was practically free when you factor in that we all got that perk!". (The value of which, Universal, conveniently, sets themselves - it's a marketing technique commonly referred to as "price anchoring". Feel free to Google the term if you think I'm off-base, here.)
All that aside, not sure what you mean about them having to do that to get people to stay at Universal at their price point. You make it sound like a bad deal when, much like the rest of the Orlando area, you can get a much nicer room for a much lower price than Disney...
Does Universal need to do this with the current draw their parks offer?
No. Wizards and dinos aside, plenty of people stay at Universal for the better rooms at lower prices and visit Disney - including active members in this forum so even without their parks, they're getting business.
Does this offering sell more rooms?
Obviously.
My only point to responding to your post though, was to address what Universal, specifically, was doing in comparison to Disney since they are the only local competition you mentioned and the point I was trying to make was that Universal's Express pass is far more intended for resort guests than guests specifically paying for it.
If you want to pay, they're not going to pass up free money but that's not why they're offering it the way they are and while talking about how invincible Disney is and how impossible to book a room it would be if they offered something for "free", let's not forget that back before the pandemic, back when, based on your argument above, Disney apparently did need to give their system away for free (not just for resort guests, but everyone), Universal's offering was a much better one than Disney's for onsite guests who with Disney, only got a 60 day window for three fastpases vs. the 30 everyone else buying a ticket to walk in got compared to unlimited "front of line".
Disney can't do for their resort guests what Universal does because Disney doesn't have enough attraction capacity to handle unlimited front-of-line access for the number of resort rooms they have without creating a customer service nightmare for offsite guests still paying top dollar to enter their gates.
That's not because they're so awesome, btw, It's because for almost 20 years, they've been more focused on manipulating crowd levels and pricing to increase profit margins than investing in painfully needed popular attraction capacity.
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