Lightning Lane at Walt Disney World

[brettf22]

You’re wrong.

Plain and simple

Look at hours from the 90’s and see what time the park was slowing on non peak nights

but regardless even more recently, the reason the hours shifted to 9-10 instead of 11 was attendance based. You can deny this… but you will remain wrong. Park hours are always based on forecasted park attendance.

I get what you’re saying, and I don’t doubt you have far more info about the inner working of WDW decision making than I, but it seems odd that hours would be based on park attendance if hours from 2001-2019 dropped 5.8%, while attendance increased 22.3% over the same period.

Another interesting point when comparing the daily MK hours between 2011 and 2019 is that Disney seemed to make a concerted effort to normalize hours over time. While MK hours in 2011 changed almost on a daily basis, 2019 had many more and longer periods where MK’s hours were the same day to day.

 

[Jeff4272]

Also, it's not confusing. If you make your first reservation at 7 am, you can't make another one until 120 minutes after park opening. So if park opens at 9am and the reservation you made at 7am isn't until 1pm, you can't make your second reservation until 11am (120 minutes after park opening). Easy.

People may not like it, I don't know if I like it yet, but I don't think it's complicated.

Or you can get a boarding group? And can I buy a LL or 2? Or just do standby? What about if I don’t get there until later and there’s no LL left and I already paid for genie+?

try to explain this to a first timer.

 

[dreday3]

Or you can get a boarding group? And can I buy a LL or 2? Or just do standby? What about if I don’t get there until later and there’s no LL left and I already paid for genie+?

try to explain this to a first timer.

just admit it’s confusing because it is.

Sorry, can't do it. None of what you just posted is confusing to me! There are answers to every single one of your questions. All you have to do is read. Everyone has to learn it at first, including all of us, doesn't mean it's confusing or hard.

I'll give you this - it may be confusing for some and not others.

 

[Chi84]

Maybe we should wait until it starts to decide whether or not it’s confusing.

 

[Chi84]

Sorry, can't do it. None of what you just posted is confusing to me! There are answers to every single one of your questions. All you have to do is read. Everyone has to learn it at first, including all of us, doesn't mean it's confusing or hard.

I'll give you this - it may be confusing for some and not others.

If you’re confused about anything at all next week, you better not post about it here because people will laugh at you. I know I will

 

[Jeff4272]

Sorry, can't do it. None of what you just posted is confusing to me! There are answers to every single one of your questions. All you have to do is read.

I’ll just be staying at hard rock and get my free ride anything , anytime, any number of times express pass at UO. That’s definitely not confusing!

 

[dreday3]

If you’re confused about anything at all next week, you better not post about it here because people will laugh at you. I know I will

Oh I'll post it. I'm not scared. I'm made fun of quite often on the interweb!

(but I won't be confused... )

 

[dreday3]

Me either. But the others are

I took a survey and 11.7% of people are not confused, 86.3% are confused and the other 2% are you

Now I'm confused.

But actually I can admit that I will probably be confused about the app. I barely figured out how to do mobile order, so I can imagine that I will have a hard time trying to even find Genie + on MDE. I just found how to make dining reservations on it the other day.

 

[disneygeek90]

Genie, LL, IAS etc is objectively the most complex line regulating system WDW has ever had. You can’t really deny that’s not the case. Scott Gustin’s thread on twitter explaining the intricacies and scenarios is 11 tweets long.

Whether the learning curve is short or not remains to be seen. As a local and someone that’s not all that invested in this process, I can’t wait to see how many purchase Genie and then try to walk into FoP.

 

[Waters Back Side]

The other 3 parks aside from Epcot usually open at 9am or so. So theoretically you CAN still stack 3 LL's. The rule says clock starts for your second one when the park opens (it never says you have to be IN the park). So at 7am I can book my 1st LL at MK, then 2 hours from park opening is 11AM book number 2. At 1pm you can book number 3 and walk into the park at 1pm and stay until closing with 3 books LLs.

 

[DisneyDodo]

Imagine the following scenario:

7am - book 1pm LL for ride A
9am - park opens
11am - book 12pm LL for ride B
12pm - redeem LL for ride B

Can I now book another LL since I just redeemed one or do I have to wait until 1pm since I still have one LL outstanding and it hasn’t been 2 hours since I last booked one?

 

[disneygeek90]

The other 3 parks aside from Epcot usually open at 9am or so. So theoretically you CAN still stack 3 LL's. The rule says clock starts for your second one when the park opens (it never says you have to be IN the park). So at 7am I can book my 1st LL at MK, then 2 hours from park opening is 11AM book number 2. At 1pm you can book number 3 and walk into the park at 1pm and stay until closing with 3 books LLs.

If no one else is in the park trying to book LLs this will work great! Being in the park from 1pm-close only booking 3 LL does not seem like a good ratio to me.

 

[dreday3]

Imagine the following scenario:

7am - book 1pm LL for ride A
9am - park opens
11am - book 12pm LL for ride B
12pm - redeem LL for ride B

Can I now book another LL since I just redeemed one or do I have to wait until 1pm since I still have one LL outstanding and it hasn’t been 2 hours since I last booked one?

I say yes you can, but I will try and test this scenario next week and let you know!

 

[Waters Back Side]

If no one else is in the park trying to book LLs this will work great! Being in the park from 1pm-close only booking 3 LL does not seem like a good ratio to me.

Yes and it also depends if the 1st ride is available at 1pm.

 

[DisneyDodo]

If no one else is in the park trying to book LLs this will work great! Being in the park from 1pm-close only booking 3 LL does not seem like a good ratio to me.

If there’s nothing left to book for the rest of the day at 1pm, then G+ will be a bad deal for everyone. I don’t expect that to be the case though. This person could still book additional LLs as the day goes by.

However, this guest would have 2 “extra” LLs scheduled over the rest of the day that someone who arrived at park open and has been booking them one-at-a-time wouldn’t have. So to a degree, it would compensate for their lack of LLs in the morning.

 

[Jrb1979]

The other 3 parks aside from Epcot usually open at 9am or so. So theoretically you CAN still stack 3 LL's. The rule says clock starts for your second one when the park opens (it never says you have to be IN the park). So at 7am I can book my 1st LL at MK, then 2 hours from park opening is 11AM book number 2. At 1pm you can book number 3 and walk into the park at 1pm and stay until closing with 3 books LLs.

I have my doubts it will work like that. I have a feeling you will have to be in the park to book LL outside your first one.

 

[DCBaker]

 

[Disney Analyst]

Imagine the following scenario:

7am - book 1pm LL for ride A
9am - park opens
11am - book 12pm LL for ride B
12pm - redeem LL for ride B

Can I now book another LL since I just redeemed one or do I have to wait until 1pm since I still have one LL outstanding and it hasn’t been 2 hours since I last booked one?

Theoretically you should be able to book another LL as you have used the second one, and the first one is past the 120 minute mark.

This is exactly how legacy FP worked, and you could also stack FP's.... back in the day at Disneyland, there were a few unlinked machines, so you could easily have sometimes 3 at a time in your possession.

 

[Waters Back Side]

I have my doubts it will work like that. I have a feeling you will have to be in the park to book LL outside your first one.

At DL you do. At WDW I'm pretty sure you do not have to be in the park to choose another LL 120 minutes later.

 

[runnsally]

Imagine the following scenario:

7am - book 1pm LL for ride A
9am - park opens
11am - book 12pm LL for ride B
12pm - redeem LL for ride B

Can I now book another LL since I just redeemed one or do I have to wait until 1pm since I still have one LL outstanding and it hasn’t been 2 hours since I last booked one?

Do we really think the more popular rides will be past 1pm LLs at park open?

If that’s the case then this system will be pretty whack.