Test Track and Frozen are one and done for me. I liked Maelstrom better than Frozen, but I am admittedly not the Demographic for it. But it is about Capacity!! If over the last 50 years they had not taken out Mr Toad, 20,000 leagues, etc and added the newer rides it would still be better in the end. Again WDW is a different animal than land locked Anaheim. There is no reason MK and DL dont have ride count parity, except Disney not wanting to. Yeah its hard to get a good quality Dark Ride, but there are plenty in existence over so many parks, Disney has never had a problem duplicating a ride in another park. That would have been acceptable, rather than the little that has been done in 50 years.
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Its already there with FOP, and it will be when Tron and GoTG open. Hell it might be that way for Rat.
rkleinlein
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Yes a three hour wait in standby would suck.
So do you prefer a lottery system where you might not get to ride at all? Or a pay to ride as the only way to guarantee that you get on?
I’m just asking. I don’t have a better solution.
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Jrb1979
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The park down the road thanks Disney for the new guests.
pdude81
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Any chance this hits the West Coast by Halloween?
disneygeek90
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What do you expect the impact to be? Drop in attendance? Low guest satisfaction? Disney makes out like a bandit? All of the above?
el_super
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That's misleading though. You can have a 60 minute wait for Mine Train, a 0 minute wait for Carousel of Progress and say the park wide average is 30 minutes and no additional capacity is needed. But that 60 minute wait doesn't feel any better to the guests and the 0 minute wait doesn't make Carousel of Progress all that much more desirable.
Take this as an extreme example: they could double, or even triple the capacity of the Magic Kingdom by keeping the place open longer. But advertising a 0 minute wait for Mine Train at 4AM, doesn't make the people in the 60 minute wait at 2PM feel any better.
This is part of the problem of not really understanding the complaints and what things like Fastpass and Genie were overall meant to do. The complaints get flattened to "the lines are too long" but in actuality the concerns are much more focused: it's that *this specific* line at *this specific* attraction is too long.
Think of it more like a top-ten list. Everyone comes to the MK with a top ten list in their head of attractions they want to see. Since there's a lot of overlap between guests, the lines for the top ten attractions will always be the longest. People will complain that the wait for those attractions is too long, and they won't care at all about the wait for the riverboat, the tiki room, the country bears, or any number of other high capacity attractions that aren't on the list.
And adding another attraction doesn't change this. The names on the top ten list may change around a bit, but ultimately people will always be frustrated that the highest demanded rides have the longest waits.
Here's the bigger problem with this: there isn't really a solution to the high demand/high capacity attraction. It is a problem compounded by this basal instinct in humans to find greater enjoyment (and have higher demand) in physical thrill rides over shows/presentations. The longer/faster you make a roller coaster, the lower it's capacity will be. You can make another high capacity film/dark ride attraction, but the demand won't really be there.
The audience, more than anyone else, gets to dictate what type of attractions Disney builds, and they are advocating for, cutting edge technical design, exciting thrill elements, and almost no wait times. There's no easy solution to that.
el_super
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I'm not as angry at the pay-per-ride stuff as some people, but I would have definitely just preferred an all around price hike to reduce attendance.
lazyboy97o
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No, it’s not misleading. That’s hour a park is programmed. The hourly capacity gets spread over a design day. It doesn’t mean you don’t get certain hot spots that might need addressing but yes, it does get smoothed over. People get annoyed by a long wait in the moment but at the end of the day the big question is “How many things did we do?”
You can most certainly increase capacity by making a roller coaster longer. Demand for dark rides is there, it just doesn’t stand out as much on surveys.
There is a solution, you look at your park as a whole experience and not just survey results and you don’t do it, as Six Flags learned the hard way.
el_super
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That might have been the way it worked before, but it's not really the same now. Probably hasn't been since tickets were eliminated in the 1980s. The headliner attractions are pulling the weight for the whole park, and justifying the admission prices, so there is extraordinary demand on those attractions. People expect to ride those attractions for the price of admission.
Again it goes back to thinking that all attraction experiences are the same (which is something that was sorta of enforced with the pay-one-price passport system). But if someone doesn't want to wait in a 60-90 minute wait for Mine Train, you can't offer them Swiss Family Treehouse as an alternative. That's part of the reason Fastpass ultimately failed, and why I'm pretty skeptical of Genie.
So no, it's not about how many things someone did at the end of the day.
Generally, I don't think your wrong, but even people in this thread keep forgetting that they added a high capacity dark ride to Fantasyland. Even in Epcot, where Ratatouille is going to be a net positive in capacity, the ride is being downplayed.
The biggest deterrence to building dark rides though, is that they are fairly common technology and there's nothing from stopping your competitors from building the same experiences. Disney has to lean on their IP in order to build a unique and marketable dark ride.
I’d like it to be all the above but there will still be those who will pay. I wouldn’t be surprised with price adjustments (despite the dynamic pricing system) to match the reception. It’s Bobs baby. He won’t scrap it If he can help it. Anyone who pays will just be helping him.
Chi84
Premium Member
Between a lottery and a paid line reservation system, I would choose the pay option.
Jeff4272
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We will not be paying.....I am a vote with my wallet person and if the experience suffers as a result of the new system (longer lines, cant get on some rides, etc.) then we will either go less or find a new place to go.
I think my kids (and my wallet) will enjoy Turks and Caicos Beaches Hotel.....bums me out that our Disney time would be over because we loved it but if the non paid option stinks then we will adjust, sell or rent our DVC and find other things to do and other places to go
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
What is you opinion/take as to why that is? Curious
Would 30 be ok? How about 10?20 days after?
Meh…you got after hours to take care of that
Jrb1979
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My personal take is all that so called UNPRECEDENTED DEMAND is over. People have used up their postponed vacations and that revenge travel bump is done. Now with Covid checks ending the money won't be there for people to travel. I honestly don't think it being slow has anything to do with Genie+What is you opinion/take as to why that is? Curious
Would 30 be ok? How about 10?
Meh…you got after hours to take care of that
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
Shhhhh
What is you opinion/take as to why that is? Curious
Would 30 be ok? How about 10?
Meh…you got after hours to take care of that
30 or 100 would be fine as it's after my trip. 10 would be before and I'd like to know now if it's going to be a factor.
How was your recent trip to WDW?
Disstevefan1
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We will see what happens. We know at least for WDW the new APs go on sale tomorrow Sept. 8. so let's see if we see more locals showing up.
In any event, it will be fun to watch how this whole Genie, Genie + and Lighting Lane works out. Disney will be quick to change things as needed (for their shareholders, that is).
I think they will raise the price 20% before Spring 2022.
Sirwalterraleigh
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