Lightning Lane at Walt Disney World

doctornick

Well-Known Member
It may seem like more but its actually alot easier for thdm to staff (most of those employees are already there) vs adding hours. Furthermore its less good for the actual guest. Even if its every day at every park. The tangible benefits for a resort guest is less. Period. No if ands or buts.
I dunno. I never went to morning EMHs - I used them as a guide of what park not to go to. We’ll probably go to the 30 minute thing a couple of days each trip now (hitting the higher tier IAS rides so we don’t have to pay for them) since it is spread among the parks and will be easier to navigate.
 

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HOUSE OF MAGIC
Premium Member
If that happens yet another reason to hate the system.

(I think seasonal overlays are dumb.)

Oh I don't know. They have some redeeming qualities. Don't like the over-the-top ones like HMH. If it feels like a different attraction or just feels "forced" - it doesn't work. Some seasonal overlays are more successful than others. I think Tomorrowland Speedway is nice but it could be handed better. Jingle Cruise barely works. MK could see a Christmas version of Monsters Laugh Floor. CBJ in Santa hats, etc. For DHS, I wouldn't mind seeing Toy Story Land decked out. Midway Mania would be an easy change over for Halloween or Christmas...

Re: Genie. It'd probably be easy enough for Disney to set the Genie app to highlight these seasonal overlays and then up-sell them as a must do experience via the app. Then it's just a matter of the guest deciding if they want to wait 120 min in the standby queue or not. $$$
 
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RSoxNo1

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Two sources have provided two lists. Both lists have 2 top tier attractions per park.

But... it could all change before or after implementation.
I have viewed any "source" as speculation with the only information based on logical information is Space Mountain and Seven Dwarfs Mine Train because of what's featured on the video.
 

Angel Ariel

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Extra Magic Hours were not cut. 30 minutes every day at every park is MORE than one hour in a single park, with the added benefit that it's not going to draw disproportionate crowds anywhere in particular.
Extra Magic Hours absolutely have been cut -
this most recent cut isn’t the most significant, but I remember the days of being in MK until 3am because EMH went for 3 hours after closing. That was a lot more valuable than 30 mins before park open 🤷‍♀️
 

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HOUSE OF MAGIC
Premium Member
Genie magically "recommends" an attraction. The wait time for that attraction is 80 mins
(Would it be shorter had Genie not recommended it?)

You can either wait in the stand by, pay to "fastpass it" or pay to "maxpass it"
Which option do you choose? X, Y $$ or Z $$$

It's a genius system.
 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
Genie magically "recommends" an attraction. The wait time for that attraction is 80 mins
(Would it be shorter had Genie not recommended it?)

You can either wait in the stand by, pay to "fastpass it" or pay to "maxpass it"
Which option do you choose? X, Y $$ or Z $$$

Answer: Universal Studios
Here's a tip to make the most of Genie:

Tell Genie that you're interested in the least popular rides.

Then Genie will set up a touring plan in which the queues for all the rides are very short!!
 

Gonzo1

New Member
Like I have stated on another site there are way too many cray people willing to pay any amount because our society is an instant gratification society and people, in general, hate to wait for anything...I know I do myself but I won't pay and extra 300-400 per week. It's too bad that pretty much everything associated with WDW or DL has skyrocketed in cost.. oh well
 

nickys

Premium Member
Genie magically "recommends" an attraction. The wait time for that attraction is 80 mins
(Would it be shorter had Genie not recommended it?)

You can either wait in the stand by, pay to "fastpass it" or pay to "maxpass it"
Which option do you choose? X, Y $$ or Z $$$

It's a genius system.
There will only be two ways to do any one attraction:

1. Standby (or VQ)

2. Either Genie+ or the $$$ option

No ride will offer both types of payment options.
 

CaptainAmerica

Premium Member
Extra Magic Hours absolutely have been cut -
this most recent cut isn’t the most significant, but I remember the days of being in MK until 3am because EMH went for 3 hours after closing. That was a lot more valuable than 30 mins before park open 🤷‍♀️
Priorities shifted. When Pandora, Toy Story Land, and Galaxy's Edge opened, Magic Kingdom wasn't the park that needed dramatic extra magic hours. People like to conveniently forget when Animal Kingdom was staying open until 11pm many nights, or when it had extra magic hours every night for months straight, or when Hollywood Studios was opening at 7am *or earlier* for literally two years.
Genie magically "recommends" an attraction. The wait time for that attraction is 80 mins
(Would it be shorter had Genie not recommended it?)

You can either wait in the stand by, pay to "fastpass it" or pay to "maxpass it"
Which option do you choose? X, Y $$ or Z $$$

It's a genius system.
None of this is how it works. Genie's recommendations update on the fly and it won't suggest attractions with unusually high wait times.
 

erasure fan1

Well-Known Member
Many people welcome a paid fastpass option because this allows them to finally get a fastpaass unlike when it was when you had to plan it 60 days out and would miss out on them entirely if they were all taken by the time you went to the park. Now it is more fair. You want a fastpass? Pay for it day off and you get it. I call that balance. Perfectly balanced as all things should be.
I guess fair depends on how you look at it. A lot of people will think it isn't fair because they can't afford it. So now for them, just forget riding rise. It was bad enough getting a boarding pass as it was. Now add a paid option and forget about it. Pay to win is never the most fair option. But you are correct, Disney is a business. Fair is not what they are after. Money is, plain and simple. And since we're quoting Thanos, which is pretty spot on comparison for Disney. They only care about monetization, Dread it, run from it, destiny arrives all the same.
 

John park hopper

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I believe so. A lot of places I have been have had quarter slots on the bathrooms. That doesn't make it a good idea for Disney. I totally get it. Disney said "hey, everyone else is charging for it, so can we!" They see an opportunity to make some extra cash. Because they know people are going to pay for it even if they complain. So why not charge for it. I'll be honest, I really thought they would have some sort of ultimate ticket for $600ish bucks per day per person that gave you fast passes for every ride. We are only at the beginning of the up charge add-on era of Disney.
When WDW decided to start charging for resort parking there were endless posts objecting to it. I contacted the company (email) and voiced my objection to it. The response I got was they were just getting in line other resorts and hotels. As many have said Disney was always a cut above the rest --not any more. No matter how much people object to this Disney will go ahead because------they can and justify it by --others charge so can we. If you object don't buy it or object with your feet-don't go
 
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1HAPPYGHOSTHOST

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I guess fair depends on how you look at it. A lot of people will think it isn't fair because they can't afford it. So now for them, just forget riding rise. It was bad enough getting a boarding pass as it was. Now add a paid option and forget about it. Pay to win is never the most fair option. But you are correct, Disney is a business. Fair is not what they are after. Money is, plain and simple. And since we're quoting Thanos, which is pretty spot on comparison for Disney. They only care about monetization, Dread it, run from it, destiny arrives all the same.
That's not Disney's problem if they can't afford it. All the time on here I hear people posting how many days they are doing at the resort and I'm over here going, 'Days?!' I'm over here trying to plan a 1 day trip to Disneyland and we got people on this forum saying they plan on staying on property for 10 days or 15 days. You have any idea how damn rich you have to be to spend 10 days at Disney?! These are the last damn people I wana hear complain about not being able to afford a fastpass. These are the rich jerks who took up all the free fast passes 2 months ago in advance.

This system lets the family who saved up for a once in a lifetime day or maybe 2 days trip to be able to ocassionally not wait in every damn line and be able to get on more than 3 rides their whole trip. People keep saying "the parks were meant for everyone". Yeah, that's right. If you ever booked advance fastpasses months out you need to realize you were part of the problem not letting the parks "be for everyone", because you got your greedy hands on every Flight of Passage fastpass for days you might not even be in Animal Kingdom but got them anyway.

Genie + was designed to keep the stand by line moving by NOT having the fastpass line be longer than the standby line. Not everyone will do it and its going to make everyone's line experience better. This is voluntary. You don't have to buy Genie +. Get in the stand by line if you wana save money. But for those who do pay they finally get a chance to get on Flight of Passage the day of their trip, FINALLY making the parks for everyone and not just the super rich. I don't want to hear those staying 2 weeks at a Disney Resort complain about money in a pandemic. Talk about 1st world problems.
 
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GimpYancIent

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That's not Disney's problem if they can't afford it. All the time on here I hear people posting how many days they are doing at the resort and I'm over going, 'Days?!' I'm over here trying to plan a 1 day trip to Disneyland and we got people on this forum saying they plan on staying on property for 10 days or 15 days. You have any idea how damn rich you have to be to spend 10 days at Disney?! These are the last damn people I wana hear complain about not being able to afford a fastpass. These are the rich jerks who took up all the free fast passes 2 months ago in advance.

This system lets the family who saved up for a once in a lifetime day or maybe 2 days trip to be able to ocassionally not wait in every damn line and be able to get on more than 3 rides their whole trip. People keep saying "the parks were meant for everyone". Yeah, that's right. If you ever booked advance fastpasses month out you need to realize you were part of the problem not letting the parks be for everyone because you got your greedy hands on every Flight of Passage fastpass for days you might not even be in Animal Kingdom but got them anyway.

Genie + was designed to keep the stand by line moving by NOT having the fastpass line be longer than the standby line. Not everyone will do it and its going to make everyone's line experience better. This is voluntary. You don't have to buy Genie +. Get in the stand by line if you wana save money. But for those who do pay they finally get a chance to get on Flight of Passage day of their trip, FINALLY making the parks for everyone and not just the super rich. I don't want to hear those staying 2 weeks at a Disney Resort complain about money in a pandemic. Talk about 1st world problems.
Go jump in your pool. This Genie so called system is designed to skim $$$$$ of the guests where before Disney was not skimming $$$$$ off the guests. The keep stand by lines moving, not having long fast pass lines and giving people more flexibility in their use of park time is 💩. I see a need for more guest services personnel once this starts.
 

1HAPPYGHOSTHOST

Well-Known Member
Go jump in your pool. This Genie so called system is designed to skim $$$$$ of the guests where before Disney was not skimming $$$$$ off the guests. The keep stand by lines moving, not having long fast pass lines and giving people more flexibility in their use of park time is 💩. I see a need for more guest services personnel once this starts.
No it was designed to solve the issue of fastpasses being sold out months in advance for the most popular rides leaving nothing for the majority of none resort hotel guests and keep the lines moving. Let me guess, you were one of the rich people I talked about who stayed 10 days at the resort. Well now I am glad you no longer get a free fastpass and if you want one you have to pay. Welcome to THE REAL WORLD where nothing is free.
 

matt9112

Well-Known Member
Throw in the resort parking fee. Guests are like the frog in the pot and the heat is turned up the frog doesn't know he/she is being boiled to death. Disney is doing the same thing taking things away and the guests come to accept it

The parking fee really ground my gears and the same people on this forum defended it than under the guise of (everyone charges for parking) legitimately staring at hundreds of empty parking spaces BUT "everyone charges for parking"

The slope is never steep enough for TWDC.
 

GimpYancIent

Well-Known Member
No it was designed to solve the issue of fastpasses being sold out months in advance for the most popular rides leaving nothing for the majority of none resort hotel guests and keep the lines moving. Let me guess, you were one of the rich jerks I talked about who stayed 10 days at the resort. Well now I am glad you no longer get a free fastpass and if you want one you have to pay. Welcome to THE REAL WORLD where nothing is free.
In the real world when something stinks people move away from it. The stench being emitted by this ill conceived and poorly designed Genie money grab is over powering. I feel bad for the guest services CM's.
 

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