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Purduevian
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Not exactly. You can book 1, 2, or 3 at your first park.
Before you tap into your first one, you can only book at the same park and are subject to tier restrictions.
Once you tap into your first LL, all tiers/park hopping restrictions are lifted.
For example, you could book just 1 LL for Remy early in the morning. Once you tap in, you can book RnRC, Space mountain, and Navi River Journey without using another LL in EPCOT.
FigmentFan82
Well-Known Member
Is this tested and proven? When I was in WDW in August I feel like the system didn't allow me to book another tier 1 until I used my existing tier 1 LL. Sometime the system seemed to not let me do things
Purduevian
Well-Known Member
I guess I don't have first hand experience yet, but I do follow 3 separate vloggers/youtubers that all state and have shown in videos that park hopping/tier restrictions "unlock" after using the first LL, regardless of what tier it was.
Edit: There is even a weird "hack" to save money. That you can pay for the AK LL, go rope drop LL use ITTAB at Animal Kingdom. Then book 3 MK tier 1 attractions and still make it by MK rope drop time
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nickys
Premium Member
This is not true.
You only need to book 1 at the time of purchase.
If you pre book more than 1 they must all be at the same park. But there is no requirement to pre book 3.
However many you book, as soon as you tap into one, then all park & tier restrictions are removed.
So if you had prebooked 3 you could modify the remaining 2 to any park / tier.
If you only booked 1 then once you tap in you could book 3, at any park(s) or tiers.
nickys
Premium Member
It is tried and tested.
Tapping into your first unlocks park and tier restrictions.
nickys
Premium Member
It is not correct. See my reply just above.
Ah, I did not know you could only book one initially (I did not do any of the booking for our party). Good to know... although I highly doubt I'll purchase LL again for the foreseeable future.
MickeyLuv'r
Well-Known Member
I understand the concept, but I just didn't see that kind of availability. Cancelling your passes is only going to give you a small chance of getting Rat.
Mind, I'm aware of the strategy because it dates back to the days of FP+, and in the last years of FP+, it worked with FP+. With LOTS of refreshing, I was able to get more than 1 FP per hour, and able to get the big rides. I just had to have my phone out all day. (Through every queue, I was refreshing. While I ate lunch, I was refreshing. Between rides, I was refreshing. Making it work required a trade-off.)
In the early days of FP+, refreshing wasn't even an option. the only way to modify a pass once you were in the park was to use a kiosk. It only worked with much-later FP+.
G+ inventory also improved over time. Initially, modifying passes was not an option. Users had to cancel to rebook, and that was risky. I experimented, and had little luck. Later, it got much easier to modify G+ passes, and refreshing worked pretty well.
I'm fully open to the idea of using the no-prebooks/refreshing to get passes. I have been careful - I think - to qualify my posts by saying, 'this was my experience' and 'for now.'
WDW has a history of sharply limiting the total LL/FP inventory when they roll out a new version of their express pass. I can't say that will improve, but given the history, it probably will.
It is also important to add, IME, this strategy tends to work much better on slower days than during busier holiday weeks.
Purduevian
Well-Known Member
There is no guarantee that canceling your other 2 pre-books will show availability for a specific ride, but it does improve your odds. EPCOT today is open for 12 hours and gives out LLs every 5 mins for 11.5 of those hours (no new LL windows open in the last 30 mins). So, there are 230 different time slots you can get for RAT (9:00am, 9:05am, ect). Each of the other 2 prebooked LLs block 15 of those slots(if you have a 12-1 SEE LL, you can't book a 11:20am-12:40pmRAT). So, without canceling you are hoping someone else cancels RAT in the 200/230 (~87%) slots that are not blocked. If you cancel your other 2 tier 2s, you open up 230/230 slots. So, you give yourself ~13% greater chance at prebooking RAT.
As soon as you tap into your first attraction, all this gets thrown out the window as overlap rules disappear.
I actually thought of this when I first heard how they were going to roll it out. I mean, I guess if you really want to save some cash you could have one person take everyone's MB's to rope drop AK and then meet at MK and re-distribute them but I'm not sure the juice is worth the squeeze here.
The simpler thing would be for them to just charge the average across all four parks but they won't ever do that.
I will say I mistakenly (like an idiot) booked my LL passes for the wrong date this morning (we are doing MNSSHP and then a day at EPCOT so I'm not buying LL for the party morning at MK) and I booked EPCOT for the date of the party. I called and they switched it all no issue and even got my Frozen LL at the same time I originally requested - of course I did have to pay the $3.21 difference in days.
nickys
Premium Member
Except you wouldn’t be able to tap everyone into the parks.
Fair - didn't think of that part.
Purduevian
Well-Known Member
Yeah, not saying anyone would actually do this, but you could have in theory saved $9 per person today. Although today both parks opened at 8am, so no way to do it and rope drop MK.
nickys
Premium Member
I remember our first onsite visit staying at BC when FPs were paper passes. We didm’t realise you were all supposed to tap in to the parks first. Left eldest son sleeping and headed to Soarin to get a later FP. Of course it wouldn’t give me an FP on DS’s ticket. Luckily a CM took pity on us and got one for him.
Seems like this system is a lot tougher to get random times during the day. Trying to get Frozen or Remy to pop up for this evening, it has happened a few times but when I click on it and select the guests and press continue and just keeps bringing me back to the select guests screen. I assume that means someone else got it already but never had that issue with Genie+
Lightning Lane Single Pass pricing has started to creep above previous highs on October 18 and 19:
Seven Dwarfs Mine Train: $13 (previous high was $12)
TRON Lightcycle / Run: $21 (previous high was $20)
Guardians of the Galaxy: Cosmic Rewind: $18 (previous high was $17)
Avatar Flight of Passage is also higher at $17, but according to Thrill Data, it reached that price once in 2023.
Seven Dwarfs Mine Train: $13 (previous high was $12)
TRON Lightcycle / Run: $21 (previous high was $20)
Guardians of the Galaxy: Cosmic Rewind: $18 (previous high was $17)
Avatar Flight of Passage is also higher at $17, but according to Thrill Data, it reached that price once in 2023.
Parks are empty and a lot of guests are figuring out they don’t need LL, which breaks LL pricing models.
So Dynamic pricing isn’t effective and since FOMO or low information guests can now book LL days in advance, just charge the max.
What a failed company.
So Dynamic pricing isn’t effective and since FOMO or low information guests can now book LL days in advance, just charge the max.
What a failed company.
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GhostHost1000
Premium Member
So glad they are raising prices. So many feel like they aren’t paying enough these days for all the magic and attraction downtimes
John park hopper
Well-Known Member
Remember you are the magic raising prices is pure Disney greed