Purduevian
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It was meant to kind of be a joke because Mission space to RAT is about .7 miles and back to guardians is another .7 miles. Just would be a ton of walking in about 2 hours 20 mins on a hot day.
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GoofGoof
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Epcot81Fan
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Must have missed where Universal's (significantly different, but you know that) Express Pass was previously free for all.
Hey, if you enjoy paying for what was once free, knock yourself out. Disney will gladly accept your money.
As the old saying goes, "If you pay, don't complain"....
Splash4eva
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In all fairness Disney is not alone to charging for things that were once free nor raising price either…
Chi84
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The problem is other people are paying and you’re complaining.
GoofGoof
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The person you quoted was comparing Genie+ to this new system. Both required payment that was very similar. The last 100+ pages of this thread was about the new system and how it’s different from Genie+ and how it works. If you go back to 2021 there was plenty of griping about having to pay compared to the previous version (FP+) which was free. It’s a different conversation.
I am going to pay because I want to use the system. It’s not free. There is no free option. Whether it was once free is not really relevant to that decision. I am not complaining about paying so I guess I’m following the saying
. That ship sailed about 3 years ago and it’s not coming back. There is still an option to not pay and to not use the system and just use standby lines. A valid choice that more than half of park guests appear to be making most times of year. At least that’s an option still. The significant price increases for park tickets can only be avoided by not going Express Pass is of course a far superior system for the small fraction who actually get to use it and it costs far more as well unless you get it for free with your resort stay. It was never free, but that’s kinda the point. Both Disney and Universal’s systems are pay to play now so either pay or use standby.
Epcot81Fan
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And if you buy the product, you are telling them you support their product/strategy and want more of it. Purchases are the only metric management understands and cares about.
Feel free to buy any product you want, just do not pretend that very purchase is not part of the problem.
It is not a complicated concept.
GoofGoof
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I‘m not pretending anything. I just really don’t care. I’m going on vacation with my family to have a good time. If I decide a front of the line system provides enough benefit that it‘s worth the price I’ll buy it. If not I won’t. No different than a meal at a restaurant, a hotel room, a fireworks package or a hard ticket event. All have costs and all have benefits. At no point does being part of a problem factor into my decision whether or not to buy. I’m not in it for a cause, just to have fun
Disstevefan1
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My feeling is prices for everything in WDW are constantly going up and outpaces inflation by a lot.
Chi84
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No one is pretending or misunderstanding. There is a guy who goes all the time, buys the line skips and constantly complains, but he’s not posting here.
Splash4eva
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Well yes but it all depends on what “inflation” number you want to believe
Purduevian
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I mean... FP was never developed as a purely guest satisfaction tool. The whole point of it was to get people to spend more money on food/merch.
Then FP+ came along with the goal of selling more resort stays
Then G+ came along with the goal of selling skip the line
Now LLMP has come along with the goal of selling skip the line AND selling more resort stays
The goal has always been to extract more money from the guest... it's just more overt now than it was with FP and FP+.
Then FP+ came along with the goal of selling more resort stays
Then G+ came along with the goal of selling skip the line
Now LLMP has come along with the goal of selling skip the line AND selling more resort stays
The goal has always been to extract more money from the guest... it's just more overt now than it was with FP and FP+.
Disstevefan1
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I think we can agree WDW price increases always outpaced inflation for decades.Well yes but it all depends on what “inflation” number you want to believe
GoofGoof
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If your “always“ starts in the mid 80s or early 90s then I agree. When Eisner took over one of his first observations was how little the price increases had been. He fixed that quickly. Right around when EPCOT opened we saw the first major price jump and then the prices seemed to double every 10-15 years after that. At least back in the 90s the multi-day tickets never expired, included park hopping, water parks and Pleasure Island and were the same price all year no matter what the crowd size.
Squishy
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My lightning lane booking window opens today at 7am and just looking at this for the first time, it looks like a even bigger ripoff than genie+. With genie+ I would be able to select multiple tier 1 attractions and have them stack up hour by hour late in the evening till park close now I can only select 1 for the same price unless I go in the morning hours to redeem one and book another before availability goes away...
DisneyDreamer08
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With Genie, it would take several hours to get multiple tier ones because of the 120 minute rule. Yes, with this system you can only book one at a time but as soon as you use your first LL, even if it is a tier 2, you can immediately book another tier one. So just like Genie, you potentially can book several tier ones over the course of a few hours.
This new system is essentially the same as the old FP+ except you can always have 3 LLs. I think it’s a better system
I can book mine tomorrow so we’ll see how it goes.
TheMaxRebo
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"Stacking" as was done with G+ is gone, there is no 120min rule etc, but you can book 3 ahead of time and set 2 of them from the evening (can set the specific times you want) and then have one earlier and scan in to that one and then book your 4th, etc.
Or just book all 3 for paternity you really aren't getting to the parks until later and see what they have left. And most parks have at least some "top" attractions in tier 2
But yes, if all you care about are the attractions in tier 1 and you want to arrive late then this system is a negative for you vs G+ - definitely favors people who can get their early to scan in to their first one (but can then take mid day break, etc)
doctornick
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People who liked to stack later in the day and wanted to arrive late are definitely hurt by LLMP. It really doesn't not support that sort of touring.
GoofGoof
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Yeah, it was discussed a bit earlier in the thread. The stacking strategy is officially dead. You can still book 3 reservations in the evening but only 1 tier 1 and you can’t get #4 until you use 1 of the first 3. The new system definitely favors those who are actually in the parks which I assume is by design. They want us in the parks spending money.
Purduevian
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Going back to this, I reached out to Mammoth club/Molly to point out that there was an error in her video. Their/her response was quite interesting as it isn't quite as simple as overlapping just unlocks after using one:Certainly on the day you can have 100% overlapping LLs. It seems like the overlapping rules get lifted along with the tiers and parks as soon as you tap in.
It’s also surprising to me how some of these bloggers appear not to have realised that you can get far more times than the ones you might initially be offered. If she was doing this in the parks she missed a trick. There again it was the same for FP+. - people just looked at the times that popped up and thought those half dozen times were all that they could choose.
"As an update, Molly is in the park currently and tried again to see if she could get two rides to overlap. The only way possible is if the NEXT AVAILABLE time for the attraction you’re booking overlaps with a current attraction. Example: She booked Star Tours at 645, and the next available Muppet Vision 3D was also 645, so she was able to book that as well. However she also still has Mickey & Minnie’s Runaway Railway booked at 730, and NEITHER Star Tours nor Muppet Vision was able to be booked within the 7pm hour (despite having full availability). We tested this multiple times, with multiple rides, and found the same results over and over. So as previously stated, overlapping is definitely an exception, not a rule.
TLDR: Attractions can only overlap if you are booking the next available time.
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