JIMMYEDDIE
Active Member
Onsite guests with Genie+ could get 3 Tier 1 rides...onsite guests that dont rope drop can now only get 1, likely not their first choice and prob not get their top choice in Tier 2............MAJOR DOWNGRADE
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What information are you basing this statement on?
gorillaball
Well-Known Member
Agree it penalizes some and BENEFITS some.
I don't agree it only helps rope droppers (unless you consider anybody showing up before 11a a rope dropper)
I don't agree on your guesstimated %'s.
I feel like you've made your point, you hate it, I understand why you hate it.
ConfettiCupcake
Well-Known Member
So you think Disney moved to a system that penalizes 75% of guests compared to their previous system? For what?
I think it’s more likely that we are overestimating how loved Genie+ was, and Disney addressed the most common complaints by the actual majority of guests via data we are not privy to with this change.
JIMMYEDDIE
Active Member
See above
Purduevian
Well-Known Member
I will agree the "sell out" time will get worse... However, we have along way to go from rides selling out day of a few hours after park opening, to rides selling out 7+ days out. From the FP+ days I never remember having any issues outside of SDD, 7D, and FOP. However, I still always managed to get those 3 before day of.
JIMMYEDDIE
Active Member
I do.......MK averages 60,000 per day....how many are in the parks by the first hour? 15,000? so the remaining 45,000 guests are penalized vs Genie+
nickys
Premium Member
I’m not a rope dropper.
But being able to book 3 rides ahead of time means I can at least make sure everyone in my family can ride their favourites without the uncertainty of G+
Does that mean it’s worth it every day? No. But it takes a lot of the stress out of me planning for me.
JIMMYEDDIE
Active Member
should say and BENEFITS few
GhostHost1000
Premium Member
Have they opened up all of MK yet for early resort entry or still just limiting it to tomorrowland and fantasyland? That would help in a big way imo planning things out
JIMMYEDDIE
Active Member
I used Genie+ prob 25x+......Every time i went to HS i got SDD, RNR (as long as it wasnt closed), TOT, MMRR, TSMM, MFSR and bought ILL ROTR,.........
Theres ZERO chance you can do that with this new system
The uncertainty is with the new system because of no inventory, not with Genie+
nickys
Premium Member
There were no guarantees you could get 3 Tier 1 rides. And everyone was in the same position, no benefit at all for staying onsite.
Jrb1979
Well-Known Member
The biggest complaint for Genie+ was the 7am part. I do see why most love going back to something similar to FP+. It works for the majority of guests. Disney guests are not ride people. Most are happy having short waits on a handful of rides a day and use the other time to do table service or have resort time.
For my family, we go to Disney for rides. We rope droppers and stay all day everyday. We would much rather the Universal system so we can ride as many rides a day as we can. Last time we did Universal we rode Mummy 11 times and Hulk 6 times.
ConfettiCupcake
Well-Known Member
This ironically reminds me of the switch from paper to FP+. It was frequently said that FP+ was brought in to level the playing field, to stomp out super users, and to make sure everyone had a chance to ride the big rides - like TSMM.
At the end of the day, motivated guests always learn how to best utilize a system and get a better than average experience. They had a capacity problem then, they have a capacity problem now. Some type of guest is always disadvantaged when there are not enough seats for the amount of butts in the park.
At the end of the day, motivated guests always learn how to best utilize a system and get a better than average experience. They had a capacity problem then, they have a capacity problem now. Some type of guest is always disadvantaged when there are not enough seats for the amount of butts in the park.
JIMMYEDDIE
Active Member
Not once ever that i used Genie+ (prob 25x in the 2 1/2 years it was in existence) did I not get every ride i wanted, as long as i got SDD first at 7am
Purduevian
Well-Known Member
I actually think it penalizes the power users and helps the many.
Every single person the books now gets at least 1 good LL and 2 decent LLs. I don't think that was true under G+.
That added capacity taken by the random families that had no idea how to use G+, but now are getting 1 good, 2 decent LLs are taking inventory away from basically everyone on this forum (that knew the G+ system).
So yes it's a downgrade to what most people could do, but probably an upgrade for what most people actually did.
Ride capacity is finite, every change will benefit some and inhibit others. In this case I think you and probably I are part of the group that was inhibited.
nickys
Premium Member
If staying on site you can do two (ToT and RnR) during EE and line up for another. Book 3 ahead of time. Should be able to pick up 2 by using early ones.
JIMMYEDDIE
Active Member
Agree.....Let resort guests book their first ride and VQ 7 days out for the length of their trip, eliminating the 7am wake up, giving them a clear advantage over non resort guests and then keep the Genie+ rules in place, the 120 min rule or book another after you use it, allowing for spontaneity while not eliminating all the inventory
Not that hard....resort guests would then have up to 2 ILL's booked, their first Genie+ ride AND a VQ, so up to 4 pre selected rides
JIMMYEDDIE
Active Member
This is not true....and under Genie+, you got 3 great LL's
JD80
Well-Known Member
I made this point elsewhere last night.
The way things are today, this helps non power users because they get 3 decent rides and maybe a 4th which is what most people got previously.
Actually - this probably helps power users because it forces you to get off your phone and chill out and enjoy your vacation.
