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JIMMYEDDIE

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nickys said:
If staying on site you can do two (ToT and RnR) during EE and line up for another. Book 3 ahead of time. Should be able to pick up 2 by using early ones.
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me and my wife along with our 5, 6, 7 and 9 year old would go to the parks 11-5:30pm......None of what you wrote could be done in that scenario but could 100% be done with Genie

It penalizes almost all guests that dont rope drop...

Actually, I think its penalizes EVERY guest that doesn't rope drop, which is the vast majority of park goers
 
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Purduevian

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JIMMYEDDIE said:
This is not true....and under Genie+, you got 3 great LL's
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Yes you did. I did as well. I don't think the random family that found out about G+ halfway through their trip did.

There are still the same number of total "great" LLs as there were 3 days ago. If you aren't getting them anymore, someone else is.
JD80 said:
I made this point elsewhere last night.

The way things are today, this helps non power users because they get 3 decent rides and maybe a 4th which is what most people got previously.

Actually - this probably helps power users because it forces you to get off your phone and chill out and enjoy your vacation. :D
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Are you kidding me? I now have 3 tracks of LLs to modify! I'm going to be on my phone trying to optimize all 3 vs the 1 G+ track! (this is a joke, but honestly I will probably be on my phone just as much. I've already seen Tiana pop up both times I checked LLs today).
 
Chi84

Chi84

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JIMMYEDDIE said:
me and my wife along with our 5, 6, 7 and 9 year old would go to the parks 11-5:30pm......None of what you wrote could be done in that scenario but could 100% be done with Genie
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People are coming here to look for information on the new system. You're not accomplishing anything with these constant, repetitious arguments in favor of Genie+. You're not going to convince anyone, Disney's not going to change anything, and you're cluttering up the thread.
 
Jrb1979

Jrb1979

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JD80 said:
I made this point elsewhere last night.

The way things are today, this helps non power users because they get 3 decent rides and maybe a 4th which is what most people got previously.

Actually - this probably helps power users because it forces you to get off your phone and chill out and enjoy your vacation. :D
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For us being on my phone is not a problem. We will be on it a lot trying to maximize the amount of rides we can get.

Chill out is at the resort. If we wanted a chill and relaxing vacation it's not Disney or Universal. I think that's the difference on how we view the parks. We view Disney and Universal no different than Cedar Point or Dollywood. We go there to ride rides. It's not a place to take in atmosphere and enjoy the resort.
 
Dranth

Dranth

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Purduevian said:
So yes it's a downgrade to what most people could do, but probably an upgrade for what most people actually did.
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I don't see it.

This is an improvement for people with longer, onsite vacations who like to preplan. That is it. It is a worse system for everyone else. It reminds me of the dinning plan defenders. Sure, a few got value out of it but most did not and it made it worse for everyone else.
 
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JIMMYEDDIE

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Chi84 said:
People are coming here to look for information on the new system. You're not accomplishing anything with these constant, repetitious arguments in favor of Genie+. You're not going to convince anyone, Disney's not going to change anything, and you're cluttering up the thread.
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Thats not true.....Genie+ was in place for 2 1/2 years and had 16 modifications during that time, averaging a change once every 2 months

This is the 4th ride skip plan they've had in the last 10 years (paper FP, FP+, Genie+ and now this).......This will 100% change and not only that, I bet it changes before the holiday season
 
ConfettiCupcake

ConfettiCupcake

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JIMMYEDDIE said:
Agree.....Let resort guests book their first ride and VQ 7 days out for the length of their trip, eliminating the 7am wake up, giving them a clear advantage over non resort guests and then keep the Genie+ rules in place, the 120 min rule or book another after you use it, allowing for spontaneity while not eliminating all the inventory

Not that hard....resort guests would then have up to 2 ILL's booked, their first Genie+ ride AND a VQ, so up to 4 pre selected rides
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On a personal level I’d like this.

But it’s pretty obvious that Disney is addressing what they saw as pain points of Genie+ with their changes, despite the way that you or I may not prefer it on a personal level.

With a finite capacity, they obviously feel like the prebooking route does a better job of distributing the in demand rides to the demographic of guests they want to make happier than a Genie+ style system. That doesn’t negate what you or I knew how to do with the system. Despite what I think are questionable decisions they may make, I don’t think it’s logical that they would knowingly shift to a system that penalizes more guests. I think they have data backing a system like LLMP/SP overall being more favourable than Genie+.
 
Dranth

Dranth

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Chi84 said:
People are coming here to look for information on the new system. You're not accomplishing anything with these constant, repetitious arguments in favor of Genie+. You're not going to convince anyone, Disney's not going to change anything, and you're cluttering up the thread.
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Then we should shut down most threads as almost nothing we say matters to Disney and 99% of the threads here are people complaining about the things they want changed.
 
Chi84

Chi84

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Dranth said:
Then we should shut down most threads as almost nothing we say matters to Disney and 99% of the threads here are people complaining about the things they want changed.
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I don't agree with that at all. Even this thread has been very informative when it's kept on topic and not turned into the same arguments based on personal preferences.

When your response to something is "see above" maybe it's time to take a breath.
 
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Chip Chipperson

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JIMMYEDDIE said:
I do.......MK averages 60,000 per day....how many are in the parks by the first hour? 15,000? so the remaining 45,000 guests are penalized vs Genie+
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You're ignoring/forgetting that those first-hour guests had an advantage with G+, too, since they weren't bound by the 2-hour rule if they used their first LL early - so they were on pick #2 before the people arriving later had the chance to stack their 2nd. The same goes for picks 3, 4, etc. If they used them then their next opportunity to pick another LL was immediate. There is no system that won't provide some additional benefit to rope-droppers unless that system has a hard cap on the number of LLs you can pick in a day.
 
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JIMMYEDDIE

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Chi84 said:
I don't agree with that at all. Even this thread has been very informative when it's kept on topic and not turned into the same arguments based on personal preferences.
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Mine points are not based on personal preference, they are based on facts

Fact is, this system hurts more people than it helps and thats not debatable
 
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JIMMYEDDIE

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Chip Chipperson said:
You're ignoring/forgetting that those first-hour guests had an advantage with G+, too, since they weren't bound by the 2-hour rule if they used their first LL early - so they were on pick #2 before the people arriving later had the chance to stack their 2nd. The same goes for picks 3, 4, etc. If they used them then their next opportunity to pick another LL was immediate. There is no system that won't provide some additional benefit to rope-droppers unless that system has a hard cap on the number of LLs you can pick in a day.
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Right but those same people at that same time are now on pick 5 or 6, thus eliminating all the inventory.....
 
ConfettiCupcake

ConfettiCupcake

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Chip Chipperson said:
You're ignoring/forgetting that those first-hour guests had an advantage with G+, too, since they weren't bound by the 2-hour rule if they used their first LL early - so they were on pick #2 before the people arriving later had the chance to stack their 2nd. The same goes for picks 3, 4, etc. If they used them then their next opportunity to pick another LL was immediate. There is no system that won't provide some additional benefit to rope-droppers unless that system has a hard cap on the number of LLs you can pick in a day.
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Agreed and I will go further and say I prefer a system that benefits guests in park using it, and not a system that benefits those who are not. I think the Genie+ experience was significantly better and more relaxed when you waited to enter long enough that you had 3-4 rides stacked and ready to go, compared to trying to keep a rolling option going in the park.
 
Dranth

Dranth

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Chi84 said:
I don't agree with that at all. Even this thread has been very informative when it's kept on topic and not turned into the same arguments based on personal preferences.
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True, it is more like 98% of threads, I was overexaggerating saying 99%.

Besides, what is there to know? Until there are changes we have all the information we need. The only thing at this point is to watch availability. There are links on the front page for people who just want an informational only FAQ.
 

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