Lightning Lane at Walt Disney World

[gorillaball]

Thank you for making my point........Exactly my point.....this new system penalizes probably 75%+ of guests vs. Genie+, including resort guests..........It ONLY helps rope droppers (which is prob less than 15% of daily park goers and most likely 10%)

Agree it penalizes some and BENEFITS some.
I don't agree it only helps rope droppers (unless you consider anybody showing up before 11a a rope dropper)
I don't agree on your guesstimated %'s.

I feel like you've made your point, you hate it, I understand why you hate it.

 

[ConfettiCupcake]

Thank you for making my point........Exactly my point.....this new system penalizes probably 75%+ of guests vs. Genie+, including resort guests..........It ONLY helps rope droppers (which is prob less than 15% of daily park goers and most likely 10%)

So you think Disney moved to a system that penalizes 75% of guests compared to their previous system? For what?

I think it’s more likely that we are overestimating how loved Genie+ was, and Disney addressed the most common complaints by the actual majority of guests via data we are not privy to with this change.

 

[JIMMYEDDIE]

What information are you basing this statement on?

See above

 

[Purduevian]

Agree we need to see how it settles.......I think it gets worse, not better........just my opinion but this is based on my experiences over 50+ years

I will agree the "sell out" time will get worse... However, we have along way to go from rides selling out day of a few hours after park opening, to rides selling out 7+ days out. From the FP+ days I never remember having any issues outside of SDD, 7D, and FOP. However, I still always managed to get those 3 before day of.

 

[JIMMYEDDIE]

So you think Disney moved to a system that penalizes 75% of guests compared to their previous system? For what?

I think it’s more likely that we are overestimating how loved Genie+ was, and Disney addressed the most common complaints by the actual majority of guests via data we are not privy to with this change.

I do.......MK averages 60,000 per day....how many are in the parks by the first hour? 15,000? so the remaining 45,000 guests are penalized vs Genie+

 

[nickys]

Thank you for making my point........Exactly my point.....this new system penalizes probably 75%+ of guests vs. Genie+, including resort guests..........It ONLY helps rope droppers (which is prob less than 15% of daily park goers and most likely 10%)

I’m not a rope dropper.

But being able to book 3 rides ahead of time means I can at least make sure everyone in my family can ride their favourites without the uncertainty of G+

Does that mean it’s worth it every day? No. But it takes a lot of the stress out of me planning for me.

 

[JIMMYEDDIE]

Agree it penalizes some and BENEFITS some.

should say and BENEFITS few

 

[GhostHost1000]

Have they opened up all of MK yet for early resort entry or still just limiting it to tomorrowland and fantasyland? That would help in a big way imo planning things out

 

[JIMMYEDDIE]

I’m not a rope dropper.

But being able to book 3 rides ahead of time means I can at least make sure everyone in my family can ride their favourites without the uncertainty of G+

Does that mean it’s worth it every day? No. But it takes a lot of the stress out of me planning for me.

I used Genie+ prob 25x+......Every time i went to HS i got SDD, RNR (as long as it wasnt closed), TOT, MMRR, TSMM, MFSR and bought ILL ROTR,.........


Theres ZERO chance you can do that with this new system

The uncertainty is with the new system because of no inventory, not with Genie+

 

[nickys]

Onsite guests with Genie+ could get 3 Tier 1 rides...onsite guests that dont rope drop can now only get 1, likely not their first choice and prob not get their top choice in Tier 2............MAJOR DOWNGRADE

There were no guarantees you could get 3 Tier 1 rides. And everyone was in the same position, no benefit at all for staying onsite.

 

[Jrb1979]

So you think Disney moved to a system that penalizes 75% of guests compared to their previous system? For what?

I think it’s more likely that we are overestimating how loved Genie+ was, and Disney addressed the most common complaints by the actual majority of guests via data we are not privy to with this change.

The biggest complaint for Genie+ was the 7am part. I do see why most love going back to something similar to FP+. It works for the majority of guests. Disney guests are not ride people. Most are happy having short waits on a handful of rides a day and use the other time to do table service or have resort time.

For my family, we go to Disney for rides. We rope droppers and stay all day everyday. We would much rather the Universal system so we can ride as many rides a day as we can. Last time we did Universal we rode Mummy 11 times and Hulk 6 times.

 

[ConfettiCupcake]

This ironically reminds me of the switch from paper to FP+. It was frequently said that FP+ was brought in to level the playing field, to stomp out super users, and to make sure everyone had a chance to ride the big rides - like TSMM.

At the end of the day, motivated guests always learn how to best utilize a system and get a better than average experience. They had a capacity problem then, they have a capacity problem now. Some type of guest is always disadvantaged when there are not enough seats for the amount of butts in the park.

 

[JIMMYEDDIE]

There were no guarantees you could get 3 Tier 1 rides. And everyone was in the same position, no benefit at all for staying onsite.

Not once ever that i used Genie+ (prob 25x in the 2 1/2 years it was in existence) did I not get every ride i wanted, as long as i got SDD first at 7am

 

[Purduevian]

should say and BENEFITS few

I actually think it penalizes the power users and helps the many.

Every single person the books now gets at least 1 good LL and 2 decent LLs. I don't think that was true under G+.

That added capacity taken by the random families that had no idea how to use G+, but now are getting 1 good, 2 decent LLs are taking inventory away from basically everyone on this forum (that knew the G+ system).

So yes it's a downgrade to what most people could do, but probably an upgrade for what most people actually did.

Ride capacity is finite, every change will benefit some and inhibit others. In this case I think you and probably I are part of the group that was inhibited.

 

[nickys]

I used Genie+ prob 25x+......Every time i went to HS i got SDD, RNR (as long as it wasnt closed), TOT, MMRR, TSMM, MFSR and bought ILL ROTR,.........


Theres ZERO chance you can do that with this new system

The uncertainty is with the new system because of no inventory, not with Genie+

If staying on site you can do two (ToT and RnR) during EE and line up for another. Book 3 ahead of time. Should be able to pick up 2 by using early ones.

 

[JIMMYEDDIE]

The biggest complaint for Genie+ was the 7am part. I do see why most love going back to something similar to FP+. It works for the majority of guests. Disney guests are not ride people. Most are happy having short waits on a handful of rides a day and use the other time to do table service or have resort time.

For my family, we go to Disney for rides. We rope droppers and stay all day everyday. We would much rather the Universal system so we can ride as many rides a day as we can. Last time we did Universal we rode Mummy 11 times and Hulk 6 times.

Agree.....Let resort guests book their first ride and VQ 7 days out for the length of their trip, eliminating the 7am wake up, giving them a clear advantage over non resort guests and then keep the Genie+ rules in place, the 120 min rule or book another after you use it, allowing for spontaneity while not eliminating all the inventory

Not that hard....resort guests would then have up to 2 ILL's booked, their first Genie+ ride AND a VQ, so up to 4 pre selected rides

 

[JIMMYEDDIE]

Every single person the books now gets at least 1 good LL and 2 decent LLs. I don't think that was true under G+.

This is not true....and under Genie+, you got 3 great LL's

 

[JD80]

I actually think it penalizes the power users and helps the many.

Every single person the books now gets at least 1 good LL and 2 decent LLs. I don't think that was true under G+.

That added capacity taken by the random families that had no idea how to use G+, but now are getting 1 good, 2 decent LLs are taking inventory away from basically everyone on this forum (that knew the G+ system).

So yes it's a downgrade to what most people could do, but probably an upgrade for what most people actually did.

Ride capacity is finite, every change will benefit some and inhibit others.

I made this point elsewhere last night.

The way things are today, this helps non power users because they get 3 decent rides and maybe a 4th which is what most people got previously.

Actually - this probably helps power users because it forces you to get off your phone and chill out and enjoy your vacation.

 

[JD80]

This is not true....and under Genie+, you got 3 great LL's

Maybe, by 1pm-ish. If you set an alarm.

 

[JIMMYEDDIE]

If staying on site you can do two (ToT and RnR) during EE and line up for another. Book 3 ahead of time. Should be able to pick up 2 by using early ones.

me and my wife along with our 5, 6, 7 and 9 year old would go to the parks 11-5:30pm......None of what you wrote could be done in that scenario but could 100% be done with Genie

It penalizes almost all guests that dont rope drop...

Actually, I think its penalizes EVERY guest that doesn't rope drop, which is the vast majority of park goers