Lightning Lane at Walt Disney World

[The Mom]

This thread has gone way OT. Please stick to the topic. Thank you.

 

[JD80]

Do we know how LL overlaps will work? I know we've seen mention about a 15m overlap allowed, Does this count for just the pre-book or all day?

Can we pre book for 9-10, 945-1045, 1030-1130, then if I use my 9-10 can I book for any time or do i have to book for 1115 or later? I suspect the later no?

 

[JD80]

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I’m sure Scott Gustin said you can book for any time on the day.

Here's the tweet. I doesn't say if prebooks are only 15m overlap, or all day.

Ignoring ride order, tiers and rope dropping. Here's MK where you have a Red, Blue and Green LL track. This is if you can never have more than a 15m overlap for all LL ever.

Once the day of hits, and it's only prebooking, then you can do something like this where you have future bookings with red and green, then you use blue to use and book over and over.

Which I'm not sure makes sense operationally.

 

[JD80]

Now if it's what I assume it's going to be, 15m overlap always prebook and day of, then the smart thing to do would be some version of this for MK assuming availability.

1) Prebook Tiana, T2#1 and T2#2
2) Rope drop Space Mountain or Peter Pan
3) Use Tiana, Book Jungle Cruise for late in the day.
4) Use T2#1, Book BTM for late in the day.
5) Use T2#2, Book Space Mountain or Peter Pan as early as possible.
6) Use Space/PP and start a use/book cycle for the rest of the T2 attractions.

Essentially you use your two "extra" LL tracks to stack T1 attractions late in the day.

 

[nickys]

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Here's the tweet. I doesn't say if prebooks are only 15m overlap, or all day.

Ignoring ride order, tiers and rope dropping. Here's MK where you have a Red, Blue and Green LL track. This is if you can never have more than a 15m overlap for all LL ever.

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Once the day of hits, and it's only prebooking, then you can do something like this where you have future bookings with red and green, then you use blue to use and book over and over.

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Which I'm not sure makes sense operationally.

Sorry, I deleted my first reply whilst I figured out how to explain what I wanted to say. Which is I don’t think it’s been stated yet!

I know that he did say uou don’t have to keep booking later and later.

You might have Tier 1 for noon, and Tier 2s for 9 & 9:45.

If the overlap applies you could still book another ride for 10:35. And then at 9:45 you could book for 11:15

And if you can modify you could do better - like at 9:05 you could move your 9:45 up to 9:30 and so on.

 

[JD80]

Assuming availability and 30m for each attraction to walk to, queue for and ride (which may not be enough time), your day can look something like this. I'm ignoring the fact you may want to cluster attractions close to each other to save time.

In this scenario you'd be done by 5:15, go grab dinner in an empty restaurant and hit up your last two attractions at 8pm. Or depending how you are doing take a mid day break. Or modify your later rides for earlier if available and go do fireworks.

 

[JD80]

I did all the parks. Honestly the biggest hurdle, if you are power touring is the 2nd and 3rd LL. This is assuming you have to book them at purchase. I am also not considering that you may be able to drop them immediately at some point before or at park open.

If you can then you can immediately book the red and green LL to stack for later in the day and shift all your blue grab and go LLs 1h45m earlier.

All assuming availability.

 

[nickys]

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I did all the parks. Honestly the biggest hurdle, if you are power touring is the 2nd and 3rd LL. This is assuming you have to book them at purchase. I am also not considering that you may be able to drop them immediately at some point before or at park open.

If you can then you can immediately book the red and green LL to stack for later in the day and shift all your blue grab and go LLs 1h45m earlier.

All assuming availability.

If you want to use the grab and go strategy in order to be able to book further Tier 1 rides as early as possible, then you could book one for 9am and then look at rides like IASW, Star Tours, LwtL as the second Tier2 ride. Easy to modify as soon as you can and you then have three Tier 1s booked by 9:30 (or as soon as you can tap into your 2nd ride).

All sorts of possibilities.

 

[JD80]

If you want to use the grab and go strategy in order to be able to book further Tier 1 rides as early as possible, then you could book one for 9am and then look at rides like IASW, Star Tours, LwtL as the second Tier2 ride. Easy to modify as soon as you can and you then have three Tier 1s booked by 9:30 (or as soon as you can tap into your 2nd ride).

All sorts of possibilities.

If your goal is to convert your two T2 rebook LLs to T1 LLs there are a few potential ways to do it:

1) Prebook one LL as early as possible then reschedule it for a T1.
2) Modify/Drop your second and third LL day of for a T1.

The issue you may need to consider is the time of when you rebook your T1 or any second or third (red or green LL from my example above). If you're doing a grab and go touring style, those additional LLs can create a roadblock for you.

It's about opportunity and availability of when those T1s are "sold out" and when drops are available. Mostly in MK though since the other parks don't really have many attractions.

 

[GhostHost1000]

Now if it's what I assume it's going to be, 15m overlap always prebook and day of, then the smart thing to do would be some version of this for MK assuming availability.

1) Prebook Tiana, T2#1 and T2#2
2) Rope drop Space Mountain or Peter Pan
3) Use Tiana, Book Jungle Cruise for late in the day.
4) Use T2#1, Book BTM for late in the day.
5) Use T2#2, Book Space Mountain or Peter Pan as early as possible.
6) Use Space/PP and start a use/book cycle for the rest of the T2 attractions.

Essentially you use your two "extra" LL tracks to stack T1 attractions late in the day.

Ya know what would help things, if they allowed rope dropping/resort early entry in Adventureland and Frontierland again.

Open up the whole dang park Bob!

 

[JD80]

Ya know what would help things, if they allowed rope dropping/resort early entry in Adventureland and Frontierland again.

Open up the whole dang park Bob!

100% It's only a half hour earlier.

 

[Purduevian]

I will have a few months to see what the "optimum" strategy is... However, think most people will find that using 2 of their tracks on further out, higher profile rides and the 3rd track as a "instant" LL for the smaller rides will be the right strategy.

I think day of modifications and availability are going to go so much faster than in G+ days, everyone now has 3 tracks. I hope I can learn the LL drop times before my next trip!

 

[DisneyRoy]

Apparently there are some emails going out to people with trips coming up that said they could make reservations before 7/24. Saw a post on facebook that said they could make reservations on the 22nd for their stay starting the 26th. Anyone else heard anything about this starting early?

Edit: attached picture for an example of the emails sent out.

Edit: disregard. Disney chat said the emails were sent in error.

 

[GoofGoof]

Apparently there are some emails going out to people with trips coming up that said they could make reservations before 7/24. Saw a post on facebook that said they could make reservations on the 22nd for their stay starting the 26th. Anyone else heard anything about this starting early?

Edit: attached picture for an example of the emails sent out.

Edit: disregard. Disney chat said the emails were sent in error.View attachment 800699

doh!!!! Pouring salt in the wound. Whoever got that e-mail deserves a free a dole whip…maybe a churro too

 

[Fido Chuckwagon]

I think day of modifications and availability are going to go so much faster than in G+ days, everyone now has 3 tracks. I hope I can learn the LL drop times before my next trip!

When G+ first launched every rebook from a 2 hour cooldown created a new track. Within weeks Disney realized this sucked up way too much availability and changed it to the current iteration where you only got a rebook after using your most recently booked attraction. I suspect something similar will happen here rather quickly.

 

[Purduevian]

When G+ first launched every rebook from a 2 hour cooldown created a new track. Within weeks Disney realized this sucked up way too much availability and changed it to the current iteration where you only got a rebook after using your most recently booked attraction. I suspect something similar will happen here rather quickly.

I honestly think that was a glitch... because I think if you tapped in before the 2 hour cool down you kept your original track.

Example: 9am MK opening with a 10:30am JC booked.

1. If you tapped in at 10:59am, you could immediately book another LL. However you could not book a new one at 11am.
2. If you tapped in at 11:01am, you could book one at 11am, then book another one after you tapped in (so holding 2 new ones)

I think this got patched in less than a week, but I could be mistaken.

 

[JIMMYEDDIE]

I cant see how it will increase sales.

First folks in the system who see and gobble up all the good return times purchase LL Multipass.

With advance selection, Its the same old problem with FastPass plus, all the good return times are gone.

The good thing is folks can see what's left before they purchase.

Agree 100%....this just brings back the "broken" part of FP+....I honestly dont understand why they did this after reading about it

 

[JIMMYEDDIE]

Ideally, for fairness of the system, #1 is the way it should work. You get the advantage of pre-booking but with restrictions and only once you book #4 and forward the restriction are dropped. The original 3 maintain the restrictions. As you said that would make a 9am or park open reservation a wise play. You tap in close to 9am and book #4 and maybe snag a second tier 1.

Logistically I’m not sure the system is setup to handle that. If you try to modify an existing pre-book it would need to remember the original tier and park (which would obviously be known) and ensure you only pick another ride from the same tier and park. A simple flag on the reservation would do that but I have no clue if the system actually has that flag. Your option #2 is much easier to implement. It’s all time based so at park open time the restriction drop for all reservations. That’s the easiest option but with a definite loophole for those in the know.

SO this severely penalizes people who dont rope drop?

 

[Rhinocerous]

Agree 100%....this just brings back the "broken" part of FP+....I honestly dont understand why they did this after reading about it

They're not not going to sell line skips for rides that you could get on for free if they weren't selling line skips.

 

[Purduevian]

Agree 100%....this just brings back the "broken" part of FP+....I honestly dont understand why they did this after reading about it

I don't think this will increase G+/LLMP sales. However, rumor is that G+'s unpredictability was actually hurting table service restaurants. People were hesitant to book a 1+ hour long sit down meal when their #1 LL choice might have spat out the same time for it. (Yes modifying is a thing, but not everyone knew that).