nickys
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What about G+ users? Does the same apply to them too?Can someone waiting in standby for 7DMT enjoy those at the same time? If not, DAS users shouldn’t be able to either.
What about G+ users? Does the same apply to them too?Can someone waiting in standby for 7DMT enjoy those at the same time? If not, DAS users shouldn’t be able to either.
We can respectfully agree to disagree on this. Its good to see WDW can still accommodate for you.As a DAS user i will respectfully disagree that Disney has made it harder and i do not know anyone who has been rejected by Disney who has needed it…
Don't worry. Now some folks who need it (and who previously qualified for it) are now being turned away. I also hope in the future you will never need it and get turned away.Yes, because people waiting in the standby line can't enjoy other attractions while stood in line.
So this is a deterrent to DAS folks, that I understand.Das return times are based on standby times, the longer the wait the longer before a DAS person can enter the LL and get a new one.
If this is happening, yesSo this is a deterrent to DAS folks, that I understand.
No because it is a paid service. DAS is essentially a virtual standby wait while G+ is a service Disney sells to limit the amount of time you have to wait in line.What about G+ users? Does the same apply to them too?
If we are talking conspiracy, I really think inflated wait times are more to push folks to buy Genie+ and ILL than to deter DAS.If this is happening, yes
People have certain needs which Disney allows & its really not up to you or me to be judging them but this simply comes down to lack of capacity. These people in theory would be in lines anyway waiting. Ive suggested this before and it is a hot take but maybe allow less people on the DAS travel party and have the people who can wait stand in line and the person who can get 1 maybe 2 max to go on with and have them try and time it. I dk but that can definitely cut down on people getting on rides
Yes, the DAS system allows you to select return times for all rides with a line
you get 3 preselects, made in advance of your trip, on top of what I just mentioned
For DAS at WDW they will not even look at your documentation. The decision is made at the whim of the random cast member on duty. Very bad.
It's allowed because the 3rd party (IBCCES) conforms to HIPAA due to the fact that the board that is reviewing the information are medical directors (and not Universal Team Members). You can still get a card without medical records but IBCCES is allowed to ask you direct questions as it pertains to your medical condition whereas Universal (or Disney) are not allowed to.
I personally think this is something Disney should do for a few reasons:
- it lasts for a year instead of 60 days
- will greatly reduce fraud
- benefits the legitimately disabled guest with a better experience (lower wait times in the LL queues)
See thats the problem with society and issues like this. I understand privacy etc but again. Explain to me why anyone who legit needs DAS or disability access would want to sue?!? Ive said it before but its lunacy to me.
If Disney was willing to take a potential PR hit, they could probably significantly alter/limit the DAS system. Not even necessarily in terms of who has access to it, but how it actually functions.
I don't know exactly how it works, so I could be wrong, but based on the way I've seen it described I think it goes far beyond what would be considered a reasonable accommodation under the ADA; i.e., it could be a more limited system and still be compliant with the ADA.
Yup. Big difference between reasonable accommodation and going straight to or near the front of the line.
You definitely get to make 2 preselects on top of being able to request return times once you’re actually in the park. Here’s Disney’s own website explaining it:
But can you enter more than one line at once?
I'm legitimately curious. If it only allows you to enter one line at a time, or at least only lets you enter one line until your return time comes back -- you could conceivably stack multiple times this way but you couldn't just go enter 5 separate lines in a 10 minute span -- then that's probably right in line with ADA expectations.
Also, does it allow you to enter an ILL/VQ only attraction (like Guardians) without purchasing the ILL or getting a VQ spot?
if you get in line using DAS, you aren't able to get in another rides stand by line. Walk around, shop, eat, etc. sure but no rides
if you get in line using DAS, you aren't able to get in another rides stand by line. Walk around, shop, eat, etc. sure but no rides.
I’ll go further and say that it won’t happen.How? How would you even enforce that? I can't see that happening...
This isn't even close to being true.have not experienced the new system Universal has implemented, but the system Disney implemented truly turns away folks who need it for sure; decisions made by random cast members and most who qualified before are now turned away.
And, not for nothing, but a whole mess of DAS users seeing that Mermaid is a walk on and jumping in while counting down their DAS time for 7DMT will turn Mermaid into not a walk on anymore. However, this is all theoretical since there's no practical way to enforce such a restriction.Can someone waiting in standby for 7DMT enjoy those at the same time? If not, DAS users shouldn’t be able to either.
[ ] Citation Neededon't worry. Now some folks who need it (and who previously qualified for it) are now being turned away.
We're arguing over semantics, I understand how DAS works. You "request" through the app that they give you a return time, which equals the current standby line minus a few minutes.Again, you don't request return times, you are able to rejoin the line at the estimated time that the standby time would have taken. It is usually slightly less, because you do end up spending some time in the LL. (Say for example you get a DAS pass at 11 AM for a 60 minute wait, you may get a return time 50 or 55 minutes out because of the estimated LL wait time).
100 percent true. It happened to my family member.This isn't even close to being true.
Well we wont start with a lawsuit but we will see what happens...[ ] Citation Needed
I guarantee you if Disney started denying people who needed it we'd see lawsuits very quickly.
So the idea is that they are allowed to do their waiting outside the line.
So how would you propose they implement it?Exactly. And that is a reasonable accommodation. But going "straight" to or near the front of the line is beyond reasonable.
So how would you propose they implement it?
How could you wait in a separate location and then not go to the front of the line? If one cannot wait in line for whatever reason, going anywhere but the lightning lane wouldn't work, especially since they already waited.Exactly. And that is a reasonable accommodation. But going "straight" to or near the front of the line is beyond reasonable.
FIFYI have a conspiracy. I do think WDW/UOR are inflating waits a bit toaccommodatedeter the use of DAS. I can understand a wait-time being off by 10-20 minutes. But a 40-minute wait, posted at 90?
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