GhostHost1000
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and it completely messed up queues and wait times for things like pirates and haunted mansion to name a few
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nickys
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That’s harsh.
Even though each of my visits were “major vacations” and I made full use of FP+ for the one trip where it was in existence, doesn’t mean I don’t care that it didn’t work for everyone.
I know I'm about to be pelted with rotten fruit (please don't use rocks - they hurt) - but honestly we find the ILLs to be the best part of all of this. Much more valuable to us than Genie was outside of one day.
We've never had trouble getting one, always able to schedule when we want them and the line cut is amazing.
We've never had trouble getting one, always able to schedule when we want them and the line cut is amazing.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
Fastpass was an algorithm that absolutely worked.
But:
1. It was limited to what needed it…it didn’t Jam all the lines. Cumulative effect
2. 20-25% more people now with maybe net 10% new capacity
3. They had operating hours and staffing to handle the crowds…not this nonsense 9-7 stuff you see to sell more tickets.
4. Making it on-site, day off reduced “ghost usage” drastically. The rate of ticket return was high. Not so since.
It’s been wrecked since rubber bands. Whose primary praise to this day ways “I can do it in advance on my toilet”
TheMaxRebo
Well-Known Member
I would be open to a system where they just expand the ILLs to about the top dozen or so attractions (total, across all 4 parks) and then do away with the G+ LL
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
As someone who went with an AP, I can assure you there were enough resort guests pre-booking to essentially ensure things like 7DMT, FOP, SDD, etc. were never available to reserve after the 30 day mark save for the random might-get-luck lotto if you happened to be in the app when a resort guest who had them for the day you were looking at dropped them for some reason.
When FP+ was "free" it was annoying and meant we usually didn't end up doing anything (besides mermaid) that had opened in the last 15 year but if they're charging for it, there is no way they'll get away with that for paying guests.
When bookings are up, there are definitely enough resort guests to wreak the system with a change like that. Think about why there was always a mad dash to get what you wanted for your whole stay the moment the clock hit on the 60 day mark for your first day.
I don't expect you (or Chai) to feel bad for the local who wasn't booking major vacations and missed out on things but the dynamic changes when people are paying money specifically for the benefit and Disney has to consider that now because if they open up anything to pre-booking, that makes the day-of purchase almost worthless except on days the parks aren't busy enough to even really need it.
It’s quite possible…and likely…that you’re both right
Here’s what plays out in the wash:
1. The problem is capacity. Travel has risen consistently (with economy based blips) since wdw opened. They stopped adding capacity to accommodate that in 1999.
It’s just a numbers game and they lost it.
2. Any prebooking is gonna wreck it…especially for the “vulnerable baskets” of customers. People want convenience above work…totally get that. But it wrecks ops and makes it suck when you get there.
Nobody want to pay $30 for genie?
I get that…but your $125 ticket in fastpass+ got you 3 rides…2 parks embarrassingly limited…and then the system was useless most of the time. All the stories of extra fastpasses were mostly crap (let’s be honest)…
So we were paying $25+ per fast pass…even if we had an AP in most cases. Totally “free”, Right?
Dranth
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I don't always agree with or am even willing to pay the prices on them, but when we have used them they have been a big time saver and very convenient.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
Which brings us kinda back to fastpass 1.0 and the only realistic shot you have
But they still need way more capacity
Not just the big ticket…no Cs and Ds that balance out the lines is a huge screwup. It’s all part of a puzzle.
Disney invented crowd management and have systematically proved what NOT to do since
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
Have you been lately?
Yes. We went in April and the ILLs worked out amazingly well.
Dranth
Well-Known Member
Agreed.
Now if we can just get them to expand capacity in all the parks. Ideally to the point where only the major attractions are on a line system, similar to what DLR does. We just need to hope Bob has seen the light during his sabbatical and is now planning on building up the parks (their choice of what and where to place things aside, which is a whole other discussion) or that the company flushes upper management and bring in people who get it.
I am not very optimistic that whoever comes next is going to be any different but would love to be proved wrong.
MrPromey
Well-Known Member
I’m sorry!
Wasn’t meant to be harsh in the least.
You’re spending how much per trip?
I was paying about $900 a head once a year and then expenses for stuff in the parks to go two dozen or more times a year (mostly day trips).
The reality is, though, we did Mine Train twice between when it opened and COVID shut things down because the wait wasn’t worth it.
We rode FOP with rope drop running and still waited 3+ hours every single visit.
I went on my own to do Slinky Dog to see how intense it was because my son was still a little leery of coasters and I didn’t want to spend over an hour waiting to have him back out.
I waited 90 minutes and got off swearing to never do it again with or without him unless the wait time was 30 or less because it was a lame, amusement park level themed kiddy coaster that wasn’t worth it.
And based on what a hot ticket it is due to a lack of attractions in that park relative to crowds, I can’t imagine it ever getting a 30 minute wait unless they add major capacity.
That was the reality for non-resort guests.
FP+ was only available for the old stuff that was left after resort guests had taken all the most desired stuff prior to the 30 day mark.
There was nothing stopping me (but common sense as someone living less than 2 hours away) from booking a week stay more than 60 days out to get that same advantage, though.
I don’t begrudge the people spending what you had to on a trip your advantage and if roles were reversed, I’m not going to say I’d lose a ton of sleep worrying about the local, either.
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The Sweatered Weasel© needs more revenue. Doesn’t matter that this system is a failure, he NEEDS more revenue, dammit!! Keep shuffling the chairs, that will fix everything.
Quick way to see all Genie+ pricing and ILL at the top of https://forums.wdwmagic.com/forums/using-genie-genie-and-my-disney-experience.135/
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
Cool…when you going back?
If you're that interested, look back and find our previous 63 discussions on this.
You're dying to call me one of those ladies who wears ears and all that stuff that you think so highly of, aren't you?
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
Actually no…If you're that interested, look back and find our previous 63 discussions on this.
You're dying to call me one of those ladies who wears ears and all that stuff that you think so highly of, aren't you?
You’re just amongst alot of “chronic offenders” here and it’s a matter of perspective…
Charging $20 a head for a ride in limited doses could be advantageous…but not to many of us.
Hate to say it…but the genie (cringe) is more useful to we of the dvc/AP and such.
Plus…I wouldn’t pay $0.01 for 2 of the 5 ILLs. No value. Probably 3 now after tron
As long as you count yourself in as a chronic offender, okay. You have DVC and go what- 3 times a year? I go every 3 years.
For us, on our trip, ILL was more valuable to use than Genie +. That's it, my perspective, you can't add to it, you can't "but..." it, that's it, that was our experience, not yours. Silence!
