Let's just close WDW since they just can't do anything right anyway

[speck76]

As for Mission:Space's queue having air vents and speakers that are visible...HELLO! It is themed to be a space training facility!

Exactly....and TT is themed to a Automotive testing facility. These are not "warm and fuzzy" environments, and the recreation by WDW was done well. They could have made them warm and fuzzy, but then, they would belong more in "Fantasyland" than anywhere else.

 

[DisJosh]

.....the move to CGI by WDC was probably more of a Wall Street move than any other.



Sure, they have a clue what will work. Soarin works for DCA, so it is being built at Epcot, LMA works for WDSP, so it is being built at MGM. Philharmagic, great attraction, never heard a bad thing about it, same for Wishes, what a nice show.....they have "missed" on a few attractions, but that is what happens when you try something new......you idea could be "not liked".

Wall Street can't take presidence when your company depends on certain brilliant creative minds to make these movies and in turn make the money. Laying off hundreds of talented people who could only add to your companies success in an area where you've been lacking the past 10 years doen't seem like a good "wall Street" move to me.

Now don't get me wrong on the parks...I do look forward to all the new attractions in the works as well as the ones I have not yet seen because I've been away so long. I'm always up for new attractions...ALWAYS.

I just feel that the Disney way of inventing and originating has been trampled on. We're seeing certain attractions merely re-themed and placed in diferent parks, certain lands and areas themes are being sacraficed for the promotion of movie characters, attractions/pavillions being shut down because they are somewhat dated and then leaving them to sit unused, and last but not least useful space being used for character meet and greets. It all seems very unoriginal, unexciting and sad to me.

If they're going to cut corners...get rid of the waste of space television station and put focus on the real money makers and crowd pleasers.

All that said I should clarify that I am indeed a Disney addict and I do love the majority of what the company does. As someone who feels as strongly as I do, I feel I am entitled to gripe now and then about certain things.

 

[PhotoDave219]

Brad, people making decisions off of uninformed speculation as well as rumor and innuendo and soundbytes has become the American way over the past 10-15 years. Its the product of Dateline NBC journalism as well as FOX, etc, etc. People dont think anything through and just go with their reactions... which naturally explains a boatload of things about this country these days.

That being said, i'm all for constant change at WDW. You need change to keep people comming back until you have a large enough audience where you expand in adition to keeping change.

 

[FamilyMan]

back to the clones argument if I may... I support clones, as long as they are AT LEAST up to par as the original and they fit the theming around where it will be built.

Tower of Terror at DCA is a clone that was done on the cheap side, as well as some other clones I can think of. Magic Carpets of Aladdin and Soarin' are great clones, but one wasn't necessary (How many dumbo clones can one take?) and one doesn't fit the theming. Not to say I won't ride the clones, but I believe Disney should do better to make things fit. And I'd rather have an original ride over a clone anyday.

 

[dxwwf3]

back to the clones argument if I may... I support clones, as long as they are AT LEAST up to par as the original and they fit the theming around where it will be built.

I totally agree with you.

But I don't really think that the Tower of Terror at DCA was really done on the cheap side. If is was done "cheap", I don't think it shows. Sure you lose the 5th dimension room, but that's not really a big deal.

As far as Soarin as a clone goes, I'm extremely happy with Disney for giving us one of DCA's most popular attractions. I know I won't be able to make it out to the west coast for a long time (if ever), so it's great to be able to ride it in Florida.

 

[DisneyFan 2000]

I totally agree with you.

But I don't really think that the Tower of Terror at DCA was really done on the cheap side. If is was done "cheap", I don't think it shows. Sure you lose the 5th dimension room, but that's not really a big deal.

To me it is. For me all it is now is an elaboratly themed free-fall ride.




No flaming please. I'm not complaing, just voicing my opinion. :lookaroun

 

[gobuckeye@wdw]

I could not agree more with you.

Fans/activists (less than 1% of the visitors) are not happy with anything that the company does anymore.

1. They want new and innovative, but complain about attractions such as Mission Space, which is truely groundbreaking and one of a kind.

AMEN!!!!!! I really think those who think that MS isn't what it should have been should try and find another ride/attraction like it!!!! That is what is soooo amazing about it, it is truly an original idea that shows the Disney Comp. truely does still have an imagination!!!!

2. They don't want clones, yet most really want IJA to be built at MGM (So I guess they selectively don't want clones)

Couldn't agree more!!!!!!

3. They blame Eisner for all of the bad things like JIIWF, but yet don't ever mention his name when great attractions/shows are created (Wishes, Philharmagic)

Hmmmmmmmmm. Does that mean Eisner really isn't that bad afterall? Of course!!!

4. They don't understand that WDC is a business that has responsibilities that go beyond "preserving the Disney Magic", like making money for their shareholders......without whom there would be no parks, films, or anything.

AMEN!!!!!!!! I just completed read the book by Eisner: Be Our Guest. That book was outstanding and I highly recommend it for all you Eisner haters!!! (I was a Eisner hater until I read that book)

Those of you who think Disney has no right to become "just another company" (profit oriented) have no idea on how the business world functions!!!! Personally, I believe that Disney should become MORE profit oriented (they have every right to) and make more conservative financial decisions!!!!!! BUT THAT IS PROBABLY JUST ME!!!!

5. They complain when WDC wastes money on businesses such as ABC and ABC Family, yet they also don't want the company to be taken over by Comcast, or any other major corporation (people, this is why they grow the company, so that they can NOT be taken over)

Excellent point!!!!! I never thought of that!!!!!!! Dude you rock!!!!!
I think your new WDW Magic member name should be: Disney Preacher!!!!!!

ROCK ON!!!!!!!!
KEEP IT REAL!!!!!!

 

[BriJul]

The wife and I must be easily pleased then. Why else would we go back 2 times a year? Because it is full of magic and it is the best place for us to both relax and have a great time partying.

If I wasnt roller coasters, then I go to the Six Flags 2 hours away. If I want a great vacation where I can do anything I can think of, WDW does it for me.

 

[gobuckeye@wdw]

The wife and I must be easily pleased then. Why else would we go back 2 times a year? Because it is full of magic and it is the best place for us to both relax and have a great time partying.

If I wasnt roller coasters, then I go to the Six Flags 2 hours away. If I want a great vacation where I can do anything I can think of, WDW does it for me.

I think you are misunderstanding the sarcasism involved in this thread!!! We obviously don't want them the close WDW (then we would have nothing to talk about)!!!!!!!! We are just stating on how rediculous some of the Disney complaints are!!!!!!! I mean come on DISNEY IS A COMPANY AND ALL COMPANY'S MUST MAKE A PROFIT!!!!!!!!

 

[SirNim]

"Disneyland is a work of love. We didn't go into Disneyland just with the idea of making money."

Pushing the barriers... That's what Disney has to do. Technologically, yes (M:S). But what about in other respects?

I don't know the answer. You tell me.

 

[no2apprentice]

The economics of the last few years basically meant that they had to cut "something". When your parks lose millions of annual visitors simply because of the economy and the terrorist attacks, you can not continue to do "business as usual" and expect to be around for too long. Something had to go, they had a choice to cut people, or cut capital, or both......either way, they had to cut costs.

Traditions training used to be two days for new CM's. Unless something has changed, what is it now...one day? Four hours? If attendence is up, and more revenue is coming in, then why don't they go back to two days? Wouldn't that benefit customer service and employee moral?

But I betcha they don't!

 

[Computer Magic]

Well Speck you out did yourself and created a master piece.

Maybe people should start more threads about “Why people like Disney or a certain attraction. So many threads start off what people dislike about Disney. The thread name controls the topic. Now there are some members that do a good job, Mr. Toad is one that comes to mind with his top 10.
<O</O
What happened on 9/11 played a part in tourist decline. It also played a huge part in bringing people back to the parks. Without getting too psychological, this country has been through a lot. People are looking to escape, they want to get back and experience good and carefree times. People remember Disney as being just that, a time to relive happier moments, an escape from the real world. Some call it their "<?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com /><st1:Street w:st=<st1:address w:st="on">Happy Place</st1:address></st1:Street>”.

This brings out another side in people because they don’t want to lose what they love. They complain because they are passionate about the parks and it comes across when they feel Disney management is accepting mediocrity. They are concerned the magic may disappear and lose something else they hold dear to their heart.

Disney is starting to turn a corner and put money back in the parks. Other ventures are staring to do better, thus not requiring management to transfer money from the parks to the losing areas of Disney. This is Eisner last year and he is trying to improve/create his “legacy” before exiting. Last year he had a no confidence vote of an amazing number, which may be a wake up call for him.


This is what makes people so passionate on these sites. Disney has made some mistakes and it will take time for people to give their unconditional trust. Things are getting better but cannot be fixed immediately, but the magic is still strong. Maybe we should stop and smell the roses.

 

[Pixie Duster]

Traditions training used to be two days for new CM's. Unless something has changed, what is it now...one day? Four hours? If attendence is up, and more revenue is coming in, then why don't they go back to two days? Wouldn't that benefit customer service and employee moral?

But I betcha they don't!

PLEASE READ THIS!!!!

Traditions is still a full two days if you are a regular Cast Member. Back in the day when WDW was just MK, it was one day of learning the history of the company, etc. The second day was spent at the park learning about it.

Now that we have 4 theme parks and 20 some resorts it still is two days just done a little differently. The first day you still learn about the company, etc. The second day you go to your assisgned park and learn the history, etc of that park. It is indeed two full days, unless you are in the College program.

Yes I know I was the one who originally said how bad it was the it went from two full days to 8 hours, but that was ignorant. I thought about it for a second and researched the original Traditions and found that it is still the same.

 

[Indy95]

Sorry, I was going to post something, but lost interest.

 

[speck76]

Well Speck you out did yourself and created a master piece.

Come on.....everything I do is a masterpiece :wave:

 

[Just A Big Kid]

Looking on a whole, WDW did stumble for a while on attractions. JIYI is not worthy of the name, Dino-rama would be considered weak in a Six Flags, and blah blah blah. But honestly, I think they took enough bashing over these bad choices and have got themselves back on a winning streak. Wishes and Phil(i'm not gonna try to spell this one..LOL) seem to be a big hit with everyone. CoP staying open is a really good sign of budgets increasing in the future since everyone claims CoP costs too much to run. M:S I really can't say either way on given I haven't been back to WDW since it opened. But on a whole, I think Disney is on an upswing. True they made some pure crap in my opinion, but in making that crap, they were trying to keep us the fans happy while keeping a budget they had to adhere to due to low attendance. Now that attendance is coming back, the economy is coming back, and things are becoming brighter, I'm excited to see more GOOD things come from Disney.

 

[nibblesandbits]

I guess that I am in the minority then. I'll admit, I don't go to the World nearly as often as most on these boards, but in all the times that I have been, I have been extremely happy. (And I haven't ever stayed on property before) Walt Disney World has yet to disappoint me. You know why? Because I'm just happy to be there. I go to Six Flags all the time here and sure that's fun, but nothing compares to the magic of Disney World. Sure, I have my favorite rides there and yeah, I'm a little disappointed when one of them goes away, but none of that matters because I know that I am at the happiest place on earth.
And for those of you who complain, I have absolutely no problem with that...but to complain about everything, lighten up. It is a business and they need to make money just like the rest of us.

 

[Testtrack321]

I guess that I am in the minority then. I'll admit, I don't go to the World nearly as often as most on these boards, but in all the times that I have been, I have been extremely happy. (And I haven't ever stayed on property before) Walt Disney World has yet to disappoint me. You know why? Because I'm just happy to be there. I go to Six Flags all the time here and sure that's fun, but nothing compares to the magic of Disney World. Sure, I have my favorite rides there and yeah, I'm a little disappointed when one of them goes away, but none of that matters because I know that I am at the happiest place on earth.
And for those of you who complain, I have absolutely no problem with that...but to complain about everything, lighten up. It is a business and they need to make money just like the rest of us.

Same here, very rarely have I ever been disapointed by WDW since I know I'm lucky. Sure, food here and there, an attraction or two that sucked, but overall, I find everything amazing.

 

[no2apprentice]

Traditions is still a full two days if you are a regular Cast Member. Back in the day when WDW was just MK, it was one day of learning the history of the company, etc. The second day was spent at the park learning about it.e parks and 20 some resorts it still is two days just done a little differently. The first day you still learn about the company, etc. The second day you go to your assisgned park and learn the history, etc of that park. It is indeed two full days, unless you are in the College program.

Really? If Traditions is still what it was, two full days of training, great. I was basing my information on some discussion in some past threads. Sorry if I caused anyone any confusion.

http://forums.wdwmagic.com/showthread.php?t=8617

http://forums.wdwmagic.com/showthread.php?t=37260

 

[Pixie Duster]

I know of the past discussions, the second day is not called Traditions, only one 8 hour class is called Traditions. HOWEVER, when Traditions was two full days officially that second day was spent at MK. Now that there is more than just MK you attend Traditions first for 8 hours and then spend another day learning about your park or resort. Therefore, the amount of time learning about Disney culture and park culture is just about the same.

Again, I was one of the ones that prompted the discussions about the change in Traditions. However, I have researched a bit and rexamined the situation, and realized it really is not that different than it used to be.