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Len Testa - “Disney positions itself as the all-American vacation. The irony is that most Americans can’t afford it.”

Jrb1979

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PH to me are not overly expensive and LL the same to me worth it for a trip staying value is not a big deal rope dropping or staying late to capitalize on shorter lines not a big deal either. I have been crushed for doing character meals by plenty for many reasons. Are things more money 100% unaffordable ? Definitely not. Just my opinion.
I'm not saying it's unaffordable. All I'm saying is if I have to stay off site, cut back on park days, change the way I visit the parks (rope drop, stay late). Cut my trips down from a week to 4 days, the value isn't worth it anymore.
 

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I did that for a while with DCL. I went from balcony, to porthole, to inside to another cruise line and now I'm back to balcony just not on DCL.
We have a lot of clients that switched to Royal since its multi generational and the pricing is a lot more manageable for them. And lets not forget that their private Island blows Castaway Cay away.

Pam
 

arich35

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Imo there really is no need to park hop anymore but for those who enjoy it so be it … to me its for those who maybe after their initial full day in parks they want to do 1/2 days again hitting highlights etc
Since we have been going since 2019 we have never not had the chance to park hop either with park hoppers or annual passes. When you have younger kids and you go so much, we enjoy going to one park earlier in the day and then taking a break then going to another park in the evening/night. The flexibility is nice to have so you aren't stuck in one place the whole day. Also helps for later in the trip when you have to go revisit rides or shows that the kids want to see again that you didn't plan the first time
 

arich35

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Sure…that I can agree with

But it doesn’t negate my point about how they’re handling it and what it does to the thought process in the marketplace

Park hopping is like a $300+ a week fee now. That’s a significant upcharge
It is an extra $100-$103 per person if you get a 4-6 day park hopper from what I just looked
 

wannabeBelle

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Totally agree. But the idea that Disney has priced out the middle class to me is an exaggeration
Would a better way of putting it be that if you price out a current Disney vacation it is way more expensive than it ever was previously, even bringing costs of previous vacations up into today's equivalent which I believe @lentesta has done in several different places? Is everyone in the middle class priced out? No probably not. Is it worth the amount of money that they would have to spend and potentially cut from other areas of their life in order to have that vacation in the way they would like to do it worth it? That is very subjective and definitely bears looking at. Marie
 

arich35

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Yeah I misspoke on that

It’s $400 per party…but the drop off in fee is more per day than I thought

I tend not to look to closely at the breakdowns of line items if I buy day or multi day tickets…they are insane and aggravate me

My bad

I want to say the first time we visited in 2019 we paid an extra $79ish for park hoppers and I think that was 3 or 4 days, could be wrong on this though
 

TheMaxRebo

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I wonder why they keep building DVC towers?
While its fine for the folks who want to spend more money per trip.
I do not see building more DVC towers works for the other two options.

Not sure - maybe for people that are still ok now but starting to get close to priced out of staying in cash at Deluxe to lock in their future stays? But if inflation protection?

Or still just enough of new upper middle close folks that want to be part of the group?

Or maybe it is a mistake and they are overbuilding
 

wannabeBelle

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Not sure - maybe for people that are still ok now but starting to get close to priced out of staying in cash at Deluxe to lock in their future stays? But if inflation protection?

Or still just enough of new upper middle close folks that want to be part of the group?

Or maybe it is a mistake and they are overbuilding
Or is it a better investment than more hotels?? If a new hotel is built, you only make back your investment by people staying there. If you build DVC and people buy in, they are now locked in and are paying for the upkeep through dues for the next number of years. Plus they can also sell a portion of those rooms as a cash sale similar to a regular resort, that is a win-win.
 

jah4955

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Since we have been going since 2019 we have never not had the chance to park hop either with park hoppers or annual passes. When you have younger kids and you go so much, we enjoy going to one park earlier in the day and then taking a break then going to another park in the evening/night. The flexibility is nice to have so you aren't stuck in one place the whole day. Also helps for later in the trip when you have to go revisit rides or shows that the kids want to see again that you didn't plan the first time
Looking back, I don't completely know how we did it even once (but the very-original Fastpass system was an invaluable help...we had that system down to a "science!"). Each time, twice a year, from 1989-2009, we "did" 3 parks in one day (once AK opened in 1998 we alternated between "MGM & AK being the 3rd park; Epcot & MK were always "non-negotiables!"). What later became known as "park hopping" was initially included in a multi-day ticket. When it first became an upcharge we still availed of it. Since 2010, we never did more than 1/park/day. While, initially, it was comparatively more relaxing to do it that way, the last few times we realized we couldn't experience many (any) E-tickets w/o also getting a "LL (or one of its equivalents--which we never did)." For example, my last few times at MK we could only do the relatively less-popular (but still nice!) attractions & "stage" shows. The last time I was at Hollywood Studios for the day we only "did" 2 attractions ("One Man's Dream" and that embarrassing Mickey short theater). Everything else was 100+minute standby wait. Hence 1 major reason for not going back for several years. Yes this can also be interpreted as stinginess with both time and money, but I guess I got spoiled with how it was comparatively easier to go on many/most major attractions in a given trip.
 

Splash4eva

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Sure…that I can agree with

But it doesn’t negate my point about how they’re handling it and what it does to the thought process in the marketplace

Park hopping is like a $300+ a week fee now. That’s a significant upcharge
We usually agree but you numbers are wrong. I just checked to be sure. 7 day PH is an extra $100. To me thats insignificant cost and honestly if one is unsure they can book a regular ticket and if use it simply upgrade. Its a free option but $100 for 7 park days is nothing
 

Disstevefan1

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Or is it a better investment than more hotels?? If a new hotel is built, you only make back your investment by people staying there. If you build DVC and people buy in, they are now locked in and are paying for the upkeep through dues for the next number of years. Plus they can also sell a portion of those rooms as a cash sale similar to a regular resort, that is a win-win.
I want to think there is some intelligence in Disney's decisions in building the DVC towers. I presume their data says there will be buyers for DVC?
 

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