Kevin Landsberry new AK VP

WDW1974

Well-Known Member
It was a dig at the one in HOP. But be careful you don't get political, or every immature member we didn't know exists will magically come out the woodwork to start fighting. :cool:

Can't I use your post as an excuse to tell of the boorish behavior I witnessed at HoP last week?

OK, thanks, I will.

Every prez from Reagan to Obama got all sorts of hooting and hollering like it was an American Idol show. It was all positive, except for a smattering of negative boos for 'W' ... I was really put off by it all.

If people want to applaude the current prez when he is announced or all of them at the end, that's one thing ... but this partisan BS is worse then ever.

I said to a friend as we exited that 'what's next ... women tossing bras for Martin Van Buren?'

Tangent over ...
 

WDW1974

Well-Known Member
As for the Phil Holmes/Brad Rex arguement, its not really a question of care as far as I'm concerned--its a question of beliefs. Rex had a more by-the-book vision for Epcot, and he ended up taking his linear beliefs with him when he left. Holmes' work on upkeep within the park has always been far less noticable, but still significant.

Rex was a very nice (I should say is, because he is still alive!) man, but one who had no business running a theme park. He was strictly a numbers guy who was tossed into EPCOT when Karl Holz was promoted (one move of many I will never understand) to Sr VP of Ops (Erin's current job).

The man was also in a no-win situation. If I recall, his first day of work was 9/12/01. The park had just been flush with cash for the Milennium and was already getting Mission Space, so it wasn't a priority for Burbank or even TDO.

From what I've heard the man fought against things like even acknowledging the 25th ... but also that he pushed for the funds to get Soarin (over a large project for MK) ... so you might say he battled Phil Holmes and won.

On the other hand, I can honestly say that MK was never in worse shape than when Phil was No. 1 and Val was No. 2 there. All-time low in so many areas. And upkeep would be one ... all the work happening now is because if it doesn't, things are going to fall apart in some places. Phil gets no credit from me at all.

Based on my limited experiences with park vice presidents, I've never been turned away on the concept of care for these parks. And while I've not yet had the pleasure to meet Mr. Holmes (or the new VP's of Animal Kingdom, Epcot or Downtown Disney), I've passed him by and the mere smile on his face alone as he passed us backstage at the Kingdom was evocative of his care, if not enjoyment for his workplace.

Maybe he was smiling because he was about to take his bonus check for cutting costs and jump in his company Escalade to get to the bank by 5?

Seriously, I am not saying Holmes or anyone is the devil out to destroy Disney ... but there are folks that are well thought of behind the scenes. Jim MacPhee is certainly one. And Rilous Carter is really impressing a lot of folks. I've yet to hear any longtime Disney CM who I respect say a nice thing about Phil.

Its hard for me to hate when I've had such great experiences with the likes of Jim MacPhee, Rilous Carter and Val Bunting--maybe my vision is blurred, but I find its better to have the right people at the top, than to let the wrong captain a ship directly on course for an iceberg... :shrug:

I am sure. But you have to understand that in the position you are in Disney, and its execs, are going to put their best foot forward when a fan who is giving them free promotion is around. I am sure you get that.

I have talked with Disney execs onstage and in public and behind the scenes, and whether they are friends or just folks I have had the unfortunate experience of dealing with the difference is 180 degrees ...

And surely you aren't suggesting WDW is the Titanic!:D
 

Scar Junior

Active Member
Why?

Maybe we can get a moderator to get the guy's name spelled correctly ... it's Lansberry.

It's strange ... on the surface.

I don't know much about Kevin at all. But again ... he is responsible for transportation and according to the story he'll remain so, while adding DAK.

Maybe this is a promo for being the fall-guy for killing PI (something that was decided way before and way above him) ... or maybe it's to show the media/world that Disney has so much faith in its top transport guy that he's being given a park to go along with it.

To me, it's too much. You either run a park or you run transport for a huge resort. You don't do both. I wish him the best.

Nice post. I agree... it's odd that he's currently acting as both head of transport and AK.

Perhaps I can offer a different take. Rather than him maintaining this position so that Disney can show their faith in him, he's going to stay on until the recent incident is cleared up (both internally and legally). In the meantime he'll start to take over some of the responsibilities at AK. My prediction is that there will be a new transport guy when the monorail collision is cleared up and the issue is "a thing of the past".

Thus, he's staying in the dual role for both, but it's not a long-term spot for him. AK will be his... he just has some work to finish up.

What do you think?
 

WDW1974

Well-Known Member
People's work speaks for itself. Proper maintenance, attraction refurbishment, and necessary additions—or the lack thereof—are very much a part of a VP's master portfolio: such things are major aspects of the job description. Meeting someone and noticing that he's "smiling" doesn't mean he's operating things at 100% SOP.

There's a reason that Lasseter and Co. had to force the FL expansion plans into the MK, and it wasn't because the expansion was unneeded. To be fair, I don't know how much of the problem is Phil's fault or Rasulo's. Oh, and as I've said before in previous threads: Phil and Al are quite genial in person, especially Al, which is why I truly don't like to point fingers at them for poor decisions. Too bad they've made so many.* :(

*And before anybody accuses me of being a Doom-and-Gloom minion, rest assured that I'm NOT. I've been trumpeting the recent refurbs at the MK—but why did it take so long for the necessary maintenance to get done?


I place the blame ultimately with Bob Iger. He runs the company and has shown a management style where he ignores most of his business units, so long as they meet Wall Street numbers or have a good excuse (the economy now) for not!

Then, it goes to Jay Rasulo. When you have someone in such a position who takes no joy in the product, who never is seen in the parks unless he has no choice (Bob being there, media opp, important announcement etc), well ... what do you expect to happen?

And Al Weiss is a trainwreck. It's funny how he really got his power in 1994, just at the end of what I believe was WDW's best years ... Meg is simply a figurehead ... she knows it ... and everyone else does. Erin is the one who runs the resort on a daily basis and if something important is happening, it's gonna get run by Al as well as Meg.

So there's a lot of responsibility for WDW's issues ... and MK's ... and let's not forget that Phil's predecessor at MK was Erin herself!

Oh, and I finally figured out that I indeed have met and talked with Phil at least once ... back in 1990 when he was an attractions manager at Disney-MGM (actually he was in charge of attractions then with MacPhee in charge of the main gate at the park). He was quite pleasant. But it was a different time too.
 

WDW1974

Well-Known Member
74, I value your insights, but this comparing the anniversary of Epcot's opening to the Apollo 11 moon landing is laughable.

You're supposed to be the voice of reason, remember??

To be fair, I was making an analogy ... obviously two very different things. But the point was/is EC's 25th was a huge milestone for TWDC and they had every intention of ignoring it until some fanbois embarrassed them into doing a (very) 'little something' ... and who elected me the voice of reason? If that's true, we're all doomed!!!!:drevil::drevil::drevil:
 

WDW1974

Well-Known Member
Nice post. I agree... it's odd that he's currently acting as both head of transport and AK.

Perhaps I can offer a different take. Rather than him maintaining this position so that Disney can show their faith in him, he's going to stay on until the recent incident is cleared up (both internally and legally). In the meantime he'll start to take over some of the responsibilities at AK. My prediction is that there will be a new transport guy when the monorail collision is cleared up and the issue is "a thing of the past".

Thus, he's staying in the dual role for both, but it's not a long-term spot for him. AK will be his... he just has some work to finish up.

What do you think?

Not sure because I am not sure just what his transportation responsibilities have been and will be.

It would depend on whether he was/is the head of ALL transport ... or simply bus transport or DD transport etc ... you get the idea.

I need more info before making an informed opinion.
 

zulemara

Well-Known Member
In the Parks
Yes
PI's clubs didnt have to be closed. And it's a fallacy that they werent profitable. They were. The issue was that they werent as profitable as they used to be, which was due to a lack of support from the VP. With no marketing, a reduction in the features/services they offered, it was suicide. Of age CM's and AP's who liked to drink did provide more than enough spending on the island per person. As the reduction in quality of the island went down - so did the AP's that frequented there as did the locals.
QFT(quoted for truth)
 

RobGraves

New Member
Can't I use your post as an excuse to tell of the boorish behavior I witnessed at HoP last week?

OK, thanks, I will.

Every prez from Reagan to Obama got all sorts of hooting and hollering like it was an American Idol show. It was all positive, except for a smattering of negative boos for 'W' ... I was really put off by it all.

If people want to applaude the current prez when he is announced or all of them at the end, that's one thing ... but this partisan BS is worse then ever.

I said to a friend as we exited that 'what's next ... women tossing bras for Martin Van Buren?'

Tangent over ...

I saw the same thing happen last time, only it started from Washington... not every pres up unitl Kennedy.. that started the every pres cheering... but funny you mention Van Buren... some guy in the front row went completely insane for him!
 

Scar Junior

Active Member
I saw the same thing happen last time, only it started from Washington... not every pres up unitl Kennedy.. that started the every pres cheering... but funny you mention Van Buren... some guy in the front row went completely insane for him!

Methinks it's an extension of inside jokes. My friends and I have been known to inexplicably like/cheer for certain random presidents...that we know nothing about ... as for the G.W. Bush boos... I think 95% of us can agree that's uncalled for in an attraction like HoP.
 

jedimaster1227

Active Member
Maybe he was smiling because he was about to take his bonus check for cutting costs and jump in his company Escalade to get to the bank by 5?

Seriously, I am not saying Holmes or anyone is the devil out to destroy Disney ... but there are folks that are well thought of behind the scenes. Jim MacPhee is certainly one. And Rilous Carter is really impressing a lot of folks. I've yet to hear any longtime Disney CM who I respect say a nice thing about Phil.



I am sure. But you have to understand that in the position you are in Disney, and its execs, are going to put their best foot forward when a fan who is giving them free promotion is around. I am sure you get that.

I have talked with Disney execs onstage and in public and behind the scenes, and whether they are friends or just folks I have had the unfortunate experience of dealing with the difference is 180 degrees ...

And surely you aren't suggesting WDW is the Titanic!:D

I certainly acknowledge the fact that my vision may be blurred in terms of opinions, having had more face-to-face interactions with the VPs, all of whom I've profusely enjoyed working with. I understand that the best foot comes forward in these situations but each member of management that we've had the chance to work with has had the ability and the power to turn us away very easily, and they've not yet, so I certainly cannot complain.

Back to Holmes, it is once again very difficult for me to judge so one-sidedly, but I can echo the sentiment that those whom I spoken with internally that work below Phil have not had too many positive things to say... But I guess what I'm getting at is that the story has more angles that I don't (and I don't think many people have) that could prove that it is not just Holmes' doing--rather, a higher order that dictates his and much of the resort management's actions. It is hard to point to an individual and scream "guilty!" when the blame is showered from many that don't know the person in question, his contributions and his mistakes. Like with Eisner (I will still argue that many that tried to "Save Disney" didn't know what they were saving--though I am completely content with Iger) and Lansberry, people tend to pin blame without knowing the facts, and that is why I have always been far more reserved on the case of Holmes, considering that I, along with many, don't know the full story. :shrug:

And no, I'm not saying the resort is becoming the Titanic... I'm just saying that I'd rather have leaders with vision in place than those that pilot without sight into a hazardous situation.
 

kapeman

Member
And no, I'm not saying the resort is becoming the Titanic... I'm just saying that I'd rather have leaders with vision in place than those that pilot without sight into a hazardous situation.

I think it is an apt analogy.

For those of you that don't know, the Titanic was the largest, most luxurious and impressive ship afloat at the time. It was built with state of the art tech and was the crown jewel of the line she represented.

And it all came tumbling down because of poor leadership.

Obligatory disclaimer: I don't feel that Disney has crashed, etc. I am just trying to make the point that anything can be screwed up by bad management.
 

wdwmagic

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Premium Member
I It is hard to point to an individual and scream "guilty!" when the blame is showered from many that don't know the person in question, his contributions and his mistakes. Like with Eisner (I will still argue that many that tried to "Save Disney" didn't know what they were saving--though I am completely content with Iger) and Lansberry, people tend to pin blame without knowing the facts, and that is why I have always been far more reserved on the case of Holmes, considering that I, along with many, don't know the full story. :shrug:

This is very very true and something that so many people on the internet just dont seem to understand. They jump on the blame bandwagon withouth having the slightest clue about what is going on.
 

EPCOT Explorer

New Member
I would agree: It was inspiring. Considering there was NOTHING at all planned to happen for EPCOT's Anniversary, and Disney was made to change it's mind - that was one of the many things that made the EPCOT 25th Event so notable to a lot of 'fanboys'. The fact that a small group of EPCOT enthusiests went about their ways and helped change a little bit of history i would say is rather notable....thus why the Event is often thought of as a important happening. It was a case of the 'little guys' being taken seriously by the big corporation.

Disney was not going to do anything to note EPCOT's 25th, much to many EPCOT Park fans' dismay, until the efforts of the fan base and the publicity surrounding it caused them to reconsider. I thought it was a major event soley for that reason proving again that all it takes is 'One Little Spark' of an idea to get things rolling, gather steam, and make a difference. The EPCOT 25 Event made a HUGE difference IMO to many..and i think brought to light several things ( as far as fan relations go) to the Company.

Now i could be completely wrong..but if you go back and re-read the two main threads about 'Celebration 25' it is all there.

I have to admit this event ment a lot to me. I suppose it would be for the one who started it all off, afterall.

I'm such a troublemaker...

:lol:
Right...:D You wouldn't know about C25, would you?:D
Can't I use your post as an excuse to tell of the boorish behavior I witnessed at HoP last week?

OK, thanks, I will.

Every prez from Reagan to Obama got all sorts of hooting and hollering like it was an American Idol show. It was all positive, except for a smattering of negative boos for 'W' ... I was really put off by it all.

If people want to applaude the current prez when he is announced or all of them at the end, that's one thing ... but this partisan BS is worse then ever.

I said to a friend as we exited that 'what's next ... women tossing bras for Martin Van Buren?'

Tangent over ...
I make it a point to stand and applaud for The Founding Fathers, Lincoln, FDR and a few others.:eek::D
 

tirian

Well-Known Member
I place the blame ultimately with Bob Iger. He runs the company and has shown a management style where he ignores most of his business units, so long as they meet Wall Street numbers or have a good excuse (the economy now) for not!

Neither movie critics nor Wall Street have been impressed with how Iger has handled films, the parks, the internet presence, or anything other than television. His hands-off approach works with the right people (Lasseter) and bombs with the wrong ones ("G-Force"-and-"Beverly-Hills"-and-"Doesn't-know-how-to-release-Caspian" Cook, along with "Isn't-it-a-timeshare" Rasulo). To be fair, the television stations are flourishing under Iger, which makes sense because that's his previous background.

Unfortunately, a company with the WDC's legacy might never measure up to its previous greatness because it was begun by a legitimate genius. Walt was possibly the last great Renaissance man in American industry; he dabbled in everything from cartoons to lifelike animation, theme parks to serious transportation concerns. People forget he oversaw both "Snow White" and "True-Life Adventures." The company has expanded (some say bloated) beyond its late 80s/early 90s revitalization, and needs visionaries to helm every business division if it wants to mimic the excitement and greatness of Walt's company. Maybe that'll never happen again: it's easier for a lean athlete to score a goal than an overweight one.

Then, it goes to Jay Rasulo. When you have someone in such a position who takes no joy in the product, who never is seen in the parks unless he has no choice (Bob being there, media opp, important announcement etc), well ... what do you expect to happen?
Please remind me why he's still there. Board members have expressed frustration, Wall Street has complained he has no long-term plans, and Iger/Lasseter have had to step over him to fix DCA and the MK.

And Al Weiss is a trainwreck. It's funny how he really got his power in 1994, just at the end of what I believe was WDW's best years ... Meg is simply a figurehead ... she knows it ... and everyone else does. Erin is the one who runs the resort on a daily basis and if something important is happening, it's gonna get run by Al as well as Meg.

So there's a lot of responsibility for WDW's issues ... and MK's ... and let's not forget that Phil's predecessor at MK was Erin herself!

I'll end here. This is why I do have high hopes for the MK right now.

Phil's reign has been nothing but a string of cuts, from attractions to stores, entertainment to maintenance, operating budget to landscaping. He refused to give POTC a proper refurb and new show scenes; he blocked necessary expansions and allowed Guests to overflow into the streets; he allowed Main Street to turn into a shopping mall with no reasons for Guests to pause and explore, thereby decreasing chances they'll spend more than they planned (hasn't the man ever taken a business class?).

But Erin did a great job with the MK, from Splash to TL 1994. Those were the days when the lightbulbs were still regularly replaced, the streets regularly pressure washed, and the parades frequently upgraded. I'm starting to suspect that even now, she's pushing for more things than we know. Too bad the management restructure stripped resort presidents from the power they used to have. I'd like to see Erin as a Prez with real power.

So, back to Kevin. ;)
With the awful job Val did at the MK and DAK, he'd have to try pretty hard to do worse. Any good thing the man does for DAK is going to make him look like the park's savior.
 

HMF

Well-Known Member
Idunno, I'm anti-lansberry because of AC, so I'm just naturally biased on this one...but if he messes up my favorite park like he messed up my favorite nighttime attraction...:fork::fork::fork:
Do you really think Lansbury had a choice? Still' They seem to like to hand him Joe Rohde-designed projects.
 

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