Just curious- who plans to ride Frozen when it opens?

[BoarderPhreak]

I think we'd all ride it - at least once. There's no "boycott" in effect that I'm aware of.

That said, I truly hope it's worthy of replacing the Maelstrom. It's already a great loss to the park that it's gone, and it would just be insult on top of injury if it sucked. Granted, Maelstrom needed some serious help... But I'd rather it have gotten that than totally ruined for the sake of a bad Frozen overlay.

 

[WDW_Jon]

I'll be honest, Maelstrom wasn't the greatest ride in the world and although I'm saddened by its loss, the parks should evolve and be updated to keep them fresh and interesting, but especially kept up to date.
Ok, Frozen is the cash cow that Disney is milking for all its worth right now, and I can see the reasons why its being placed where it is. So yes I will ride it, probably more than once in a single trip providing the queues aren't horrendous
I'm trying to be positive about it and I do hope they have managed to capture the charm of the movie whilst making it an enjoyable experience for everyone that rides it.

Bingo

 

[tlev]

Yes I will ride. I have an 8 year old daughter that loves Frozen so we will definitely ride. My family, daughter included, are very sad that Maelstrom is gone. It was one of my daughter's favorites and I loved it because she loved it so much, but I'm always excited about a new experience.

 

[jensenrick]

And I can't wait to ride Abe Lincoln: Vampire Hunter, the new ride replacing Hall of Presidents!

I don't know- can they can get a decent ride in so small a space? Perhaps a flight sim would be better? I didn't see that movie, so I can't fairly say.

 

[FettFan]

Slightly steering the thread off course: yes, those are exactly my thoughts about the movie. For the first half or so, I thought I was watching a deliriously good movie. Then it all went downhill. Elsa should've been a villain, slightly more edgy.

Yarp. Once she sings "Let it Go", she's pretty much absolved for the rest of the movie, despite the entire situation being HER DOING.
And once they reveal Hans as a villain....well, NOTHING is Elsa's fault anymore and the townsfolk are ready to have her back, despite condemning her as a witch just days before.

 

[SyracuseDisneyFan]

Me.

 

[Matt_Black]

Yarp. Once she sings "Let it Go", she's pretty much absolved for the rest of the movie, despite the entire situation being HER DOING.

You mean the entire situation that happened by accident and that she was entirely unaware of? The situation that was created due to her sister clearly provoking her in public until she had a (pardon the expression) meltdown? It's like Anna grabbed Elsa's medication and refused to give it back until she got what she wanted.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Where are you going with this?
However you pay, whenever you go and whether you allow yourself to enjoy WDW has nothing to do with the fact that everyone will go on the frozen attraction at least once despite the fact people are fed up of the film and whether they feel it's worthy of fitting in somewhere a bit different

You don't get to dictate what people do. You don't know what people do or when, and you're just making up things to knock down.

I still don't understand all of the bickering with the original ride... yes, it was unique, but it also wasn't THAT fantastic of an attraction that would cause this much fanfare. Why are people more upset over this than the closing of Snow White for an overhyped character greet spot? At least there is a new attraction going in Maelstrom's spot.

The closing of Maelstrom isn't the big issue. He big issue is all about the replacement attraction, and the even bigger issue being the near total removal of anything having to do with Norway from the pavilion. World Showcase is getting an Arendelle Pavilion in all but name.

 

[Matt_Black]

You don't get to dictate what people do.

Says the "People should know better!" guy....

 

[lazyboy97o]

Says the "People should know better!" guy....

Except that people do know better. That is why there are so many different hoops made up to jump through to try and concoct a means of making the peg fit.

 

[Matt_Black]

Except that people do know better.

Do you use an orthopedic cushion? I imagine sitting on that high horse all the time would get mighty uncomfortable....

 

[Daniel Johnson]

It didn't have to be a written rule because it is blatantly obvious.

Blatantly obvious or not man. Nothing says there is any constraints on Disney to do/don't do anything at any one of its parks, only public opinion.

Written rule or not, why does there have to be a fantasyland ride in World Showcase? It doesn't make thematic sense. Disney should treat their thematic coherency with greater respect.

Thematic coherency? Really? So a couple ducks in Mexico isn't non fictional characters? Its a theme park. If you want to see a real inconsistency with the countries presented at world showcase, go visit the actual countries...I bet there is more than a couple inconsistencies between them and what Is represented at Epcot.
Besides, it's a ride. Of a made up land. It might be similar to other very real places on a globe, but, in some ways so is the rest of world showcase

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Why should I not be dismissive of the far too prevalent view that theme in themed entertainment is a trivial concern?

Because themed entertainment IS a trivial concern and the nuances thereof are even more trivial.

 

[Sage of Time]

Thematic coherency? Really? So a couple ducks in Mexico, or princess Jasmine are non fictional characters? Its a theme park. If you want to any one of the ccountries presented at world showcase, go visit the actual countries...I bet there is more than a couple inconsistencies between them and what Is represented at Epcot.
Besides, it's a ride. Of a made up land. It might be similar to other very real places on a globe, but, in some ways so is the rest of world showcase

Yeah, all of the things you mentioned really don't float my boat.

And the point of EPCOT is to exhibit the cultures and achievements of real places so as to honor them. Sure, visiting the place might be the better vacation, but that says nothing about the place that's supposed to tribute them. It's really great that these nations exist, but that doesn't mean we should wreck the museum/show place/exhibition hall that's built to show them off.

 

[Sage of Time]

Because themed entertainment IS a trivial concern and the nuances thereof are even more trivial.

those "trivial" concerns are the vital keys to Disney's legacy and what has made their parks special for 40-50 years out of the last 60 years of their operation.

"trivial" details and attention to theme and consistency make Disney what it is. Details are everything.

 

[Daniel Johnson]

Yeah, all of the things you mentioned really don't float my boat.

And the point of EPCOT is to exhibit the cultures and achievements of real places so as to honor them. Sure, visiting the place might be the better vacation, but that says nothing about the place that's supposed to tribute them. It's really great that these nations exist, but that doesn't mean we should wreck the museum/show place/exhibition hall that's built to show them off.

I'm not trying to argue. I would like you to know that. To an extent, I agree with. Yes the original point of Epcot was to exhibit the cultures and achievements of real places so as to honor them. I think that whole objective has fallen by the waste side as time has moved on. its more than understandable that the community who ultimately supports this park (you and I, and everyone who buys a ticket) May have found issue with that. In its own way to every one, it's upsetting. But, it isn't our choice one way or another.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Blatantly obvious or not man. Nothing says there is any constraints on Disney to do/don't do anything at any one of its parks, only public opinion.

Nobody is questioning Disney's legal or financial ability to change their parks. That doesn't mean any and all changes are good for the experience. Disney could do all sorts of things they chose not to do.

Thematic coherency? Really? So a couple ducks in Mexico isn't non fictional characters? Its a theme park. If you want to see a real inconsistency with the countries presented at world showcase, go visit the actual countries...I bet there is more than a couple inconsistencies between them and what Is represented at Epcot.
Besides, it's a ride. Of a made up land. It might be similar to other very real places on a globe, but, in some ways so is the rest of world showcase

By this reasoning there should be no museums, because they do not tell everything. No documentaries, because they do not tell everything. No books on a subject, because they cannot cover everything. No textbooks. Even a few visits to a country is not really the whole picture. World Showcase is an introduction, a positive impression intended to foster awareness and understanding through entertainment. The aim is not to be a one-stop source of information, but an engaging starting point.

Because themed entertainment IS a trivial concern and the nuances thereof are even more trivial.

Then you should be quite angered with The Walt Disney Company who has spent billions on such nonsense. Nonsense that seems to have some attraction to you, otherwise you would have no interest in such things.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

those "trivial" concerns are the vital keys to Disney's legacy and what has made their parks special for 40-50 years out of the last 60 years of their operation.

"trivial" details and attention to theme and consistency make Disney what it is. Details are everything.

That's my point. "Disney's legacy" is trivial. Theme parks are trivial. This message board is trivial. It's all trivial. People make Disney and Walt Disney World into this spiritual entity that's so much greater than what it is: a make-believe vacation destination where you go to have fun. This board is a diversion to discuss that place that we all enjoy to visit to have fun. It seems unhealthy to walk through the gates of Epcot and hang your emotions on concepts like thematic purity and historical integrity. Just go and have fun without stressing over whether your experience is a perfect surrogate for visiting Oslo in the year 1092 or whether a fictional princess with fictional magic powers and a fictional talking snowman friend would ACTUALLY host a river tour through their fictional kingdom somewhere in Norway.

 

[Sage of Time]

That's my point. "Disney's legacy" is trivial. Theme parks are trivial. This message board is trivial. It's all trivial. People make Disney and Walt Disney World into this spiritual entity that's so much greater than what it is: a make-believe vacation destination where you go to have fun. This board is a diversion to discuss that place that we all enjoy to visit to have fun. It seems unhealthy to walk through the gates of Epcot and hang your emotions on concepts like thematic purity and historical integrity. Just go and have fun without stressing over whether your experience is a perfect surrogate for visiting Oslo in the year 1092 or whether a fictional princess with fictional magic powers and a fictional talking snowman friend would ACTUALLY host a river tour through their fictional kingdom somewhere in Norway.

Your nihilism doesn't excuse my desire for Disney's product to measure up to what it once was. That has nothing to do with health or anything otherwise.

Going out and having FUN FUN FUN doesn't really pertain to the argument I'm making either. Sure, Disney's fun. but I want Disney to be fun with a purpose. Otherwise, what's the point? I'll go to 6 flags.

I'm not trying to argue. I would like you to know that. To an extent, I agree with. Yes the original point of Epcot was to exhibit the cultures and achievements of real places so as to honor them. I think that whole objective has fallen by the waste side as time has moved on. its more than understandable that the community who ultimately supports this park (you and I, and everyone who buys a ticket) May have found issue with that. In its own way to every one, it's upsetting. But, it isn't our choice one way or another.

I know you're not arguing, and nor am I. My point remains that Disney is foolish for ignoring their thematics principles and all the worse for doing so. I'd like to see them fix that.

 

[Daniel Johnson]

By this reasoning there should be no museums, because they do not tell everything. No documentaries, because they do not tell everything. No books on a subject, because they cannot cover everything. No textbooks. Even a few visits to a country is not really the whole picture. World Showcase is an introduction, a positive impression intended to foster awareness and understanding through entertainment. The aim is not to be a one-stop source of information, but an engaging starting point.

I don't think a theme park has to hold true to history as say a museum, school, or text book. But, I do understand what your saying, and fully agree it is not a fully history on each land represented.