Jungle Cruise Update

Brer Panther

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The story was taken from African slaves, without credit or compensation.

Origins and Influences
Two-thirds of Harris's celebrated trickster tales—which constitute the largest gathering of African American folktales published in the nineteenth century—derive their deep structures and primary motifs from African folktales that were brought to the New World and then retold and elaborated upon by African American slaves living in the southeastern United States. The remaining stories have their roots in European and Native American folklore.

Eatonton's other famous literary personality, however, Alice Walker, only begrudgingly acknowledges Harris's influence, arguing that he in effect stole a major part of the black folk legacy from its authentic African American creators.

The Brer Rabbit Stories
Harris's fictionalized storyteller, Uncle Remus, was a "human syndicate" whom he had admittedly "walloped together" from several black storytellers he had met while working from 1862 to 1866 as a printing compositor on Joseph Addison Turner's Turnwold Plantation, outside Eatonton, in Putnam County. Although Uncle Remus's name has its ultimate origins in Rome's Romulus and Remus legend, its more immediate antecedent was an elderly black gardener Harris met in Forsyth, Georgia, where Harris had served from 1867 to 1870 as an editor for the Monroe Advertiser.

So what you're saying is that the Brer Rabbit folktales, despite being African American folktales, are automatically racist?
 

Ellen Ripley

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So what you're saying is that the Brer Rabbit folktales, despite being African American folktales, are automatically racist?
I'm saying they are problematic, because a white man took the stories, credited none of the African American slaves that told him the stories, by name, and made all the money off of these stories that were not even from his own culture. And from people who were not free.
 

VJ

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It's interesting too because while the Jungle Cruise is iconic, I don't know that ANYONE truly believes it is an unimpeachable masterpiece that is operating (or has operated for some time) as a pinnacle park experience, where everything fires on all cylinders to really WOW people consistently in the way that people ascribe to Pirates, Mansion, Splash, etc. among others.

Many, and undoubtedly many of the loudest voices, have long since moved Jungle Cruise to 'courtesy ride' status: not an attraction you actually feel that strongly about, but it's there, the wait's not too bad, and you need to fill your time with something, so why not? Only for the entire experience to leave one's mind immediately after exiting the ride vehicle.

If they were honest, this is the most they've thought about or talked about Jungle Cruise in YEARS. Likely decades.

But they gotta feed their desire for DRAMA! and ATTENTION! because lord knows they don't get enough of it.
Exactly. No one cares about an attraction like Jungle Cruise until there's a reason to get on the bandwagon... and that reason has come, sadly.

I personally don't mind the changes. Times change and Disneyland changes with it, and time marches forward. That's progress for ya.
 

networkpro

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In the Parks
Yes
Never asked for them but I will say that I think McDonald's still has the best fast food french fries...easily.

Yes, McDonald's french fries are made with real potatoes. ... Dextrose, a natural sugar, to keep the color consistent and sodium acid pyrophosphate, to keep the fries from graying, for starters
 

mickEblu

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I know the whole, McDonalds in Disneyland thing was tacky but man.. something about the fries in the park tasted even better than they do normally. Maybe I'm just crazy.

What were we talking about again? Some kind of boat ride or something?

For me it’s all about the execution and I think the additions like Starbucks for example have been tasteful. It still feels like Disneyland to me. They re not plastering a huge Starbucks marquee on Main Street etc.
 

Californian Elitist

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I know the whole, McDonalds in Disneyland thing was tacky but man.. something about the fries in the park tasted even better than they do normally. Maybe I'm just crazy.

What were we talking about again? Some kind of boat ride or something?
No, you’re not crazy. They did taste better. My whole family agreed. They were crispier and tasted better than the fries at any McDonald’s outside of the park. I’m convinced they added something to those fries.
 

SuddenStorm

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For me it’s all about the execution and I think the additions like Starbucks for example have been tasteful. It still feels like Disneyland to me. They re not plastering a huge Starbucks marquee on Main Street etc.

That said, not having major corporate marquees on Main Street is a more recent phenomenon.

The early days of Disneyland Main Street was basically a string of advertisements for each corporate that leased the retail/restaurant space.

I'm glad that's gone away, but I wouldn't mind more diversity in the offerings in the shops and stuff along Main Street. Keep the Disney shirts, plushes, etc in the Emporium and allow the other shops to sell tasteful themed merchandise, both Disney and not Disney.

I'd also love for a small barbershop to open on Main Street... An old timey cut and shave would be a delightful experience at the park.
 

mickEblu

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That said, not having major corporate marquees on Main Street is a more recent phenomenon.

The early days of Disneyland Main Street was basically a string of advertisements for each corporate that leased the retail/restaurant space.

I'm glad that's gone away, but I wouldn't mind more diversity in the offerings in the shops and stuff along Main Street. Keep the Disney shirts, plushes, etc in the Emporium and allow the other shops to sell tasteful themed merchandise, both Disney and not Disney.

I'd also love for a small barbershop to open on Main Street... An old timey cut and shave would be a delightful experience at the park.

A nice shave would be great too! Ive only been shaved by a Barber one time and it was glorious.
 

SuddenStorm

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A nice shave would be great too! Ive only been shaved by a Barber one time and it was glorious.

Completely off topic, but getting into proper double edge wet shaving was one of the best changes I've made to my grooming routine. There's something satisfying about lathering an actual shave soap, using an actual double edge razor, aftershave, etc that really boosts the mood in the morning.

Of course, it then turns into a black hole of trying out every soap, aftershave, and razor blade on the market. But it's still delightful and far better then the Gillette 35 blade in one ultraglide combo or whatever nonsense the modern shave industry has concocted.
 

Practical Pig

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ok so do the haircuts inside the Main Street Cinema. Now that the Bob's would approve
The brings the price down to $899.99. To get the price down a little more they build a Bibbity Bobbity Boo Boutique for Disney dads and along with the hair stylelingthey sell them humidors and smoking jackets. Period themed of course.
 

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