Jungle Cruise Update

[Deleted member 107043]

some of you might need some professional help if you cannot find fun in anything and always trying to be super serious and hyper-opinionated on everything.

Who here doesn't appreciate the artistry of Disneyland and doesn't have some degree of fun when they visit? You seem to be insinuating that our legitimate grievances and fact based critiques are an inconvenience to your joy.

As I said earlier I'm happy about the Jungle Cruise updates. I'm also pleased about the transformation of Splash Mountain away from the Song of The South theme. As a fan it's a small relief to know that Disney is finally acknowledging that these tropes are problematic and is taking steps to make the attractions more inclusive.

 

[Buck Wheelie]

i guess this type of post and comments was the reason Yahoo stopped allowing comments For news articles. the “ I know more than you“ type of opinions are very exhausting and is a way show the persons true character. some of you might need some professional help if you cannot find fun in anything and always trying to be super serious and hyper-opinionated on everything. If I get kick out for that oh well.

There are some people that think they are right no matter what. What we were missing until a few years ago are the morality police. Now they have gone overboard looking for something to be offended by. I have the perfect low cost solution to fix JC, Splash and any thing else that people are offended. Just redo the bad people to make them Caucasian and nobody will care or say anything. Problem fixed!

 

[Model3 McQueen]

i guess this type of post and comments was the reason Yahoo stopped allowing comments For news articles. the “ I know more than you“ type of opinions are very exhausting and is a way show the persons true character. some of you might need some professional help if you cannot find fun in anything and always trying to be super serious and hyper-opinionated on everything. If I get kick out for that oh well.

Yahoo got tired of members adding to their stories and often calling them out on their lies.

 

[Model3 McQueen]

As a fan it's a small relief to know that Disney is finally acknowledging that these tropes are problematic and is taking steps to make the attractions more inclusive.

So problematic and non-inclusive, those previous iterations of attractions at Disney parks. Only a handful of people raised their arms ya know.

 

[el_super]

Now they have gone overboard looking for something to be offended by. I have the perfect low cost solution to fix JC

Seems Disney is more than capable of coming up with their own solutions.

So problematic and non-inclusive, those previous iterations of attractions at Disney parks. Only a handful of people raised their arms ya know.

And it will be far fewer in the future due to these changes.

 

[1HAPPYGHOSTHOST]

Yep, the planned changes go beyond just removing the African Natives from the attraction. The script as it exists today is based on a script Marc Davis wrote back in the '60s (if I remember correct). Yes, there's a lot of flexibility and changes over the years- but, unless I'm mistaken, that's where many of the popular jokes originate. But with this new skipper story line, I wouldn't be surprised at all if there's a number of changes made to what's expected from the skipper spiel. Which could be really good, or really bad. And after seeing what Disney did to Fantasmic, Pirates, Tower of Terror- I expect to be at least somewhat let down by the execution. If they were switching out the three scenes with African Natives with newer vignettes, or using unused Marc Davis concepts, and leaving the rest of the attraction untouched I wouldn't be worried at all. But modern WDI does not understand storytelling in rides, and now the Jungle Cruise will suffer for it.

To see modern Imagineering describe the Jungle Cruise, one of Disney's defining attractions as negative in a press release is interesting and disheartening. Since it's basically saying that nothing in Disneyland is safe. And Disneyland is a park that relies heavily on nostalgia and history- so WDI and Disney need to be very careful in how they implement these changes.

It's surreal to think that there's a plausible future where Disneyland doesn't have Lincoln, Main Street USA, The Enchanted Tiki Room, the hanging corpse in Mansion, Splash Mountain- not because any of these are actually offensive, but because they might offend someone- is disheartening and depressing.

Thank you!! You get it!!!

 

[1HAPPYGHOSTHOST]

This definitely isn't the year to be a Splash Mountain fan, or a Jungle Cruise fan. And soon we can't be Tiki Room fans, or Lincoln fans. Since that implies you like something that's racist, and are therefore racist- not for any action or bias, but for liking a ride with frogs and chickens that sing. Or a ride where the highlight is literally someone saying "The backside of water" with a burned out, sarcastic tone since everyone on the boat's heard it a million times.

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Heck, the Jungle Cruise has a cult following behind it. There's skippers that run a podcast called Tales From the Jungle Crews, but of course now that's just a bunch of skippers talking about all the great times they had working an attraction that is actually negative and a blight on the company's history.

What do we think the chances of Disney distancing themselves from Walt is? Since creative decisions made during his lifetime are at the root of many of these negative attractions? And Mickey, who has a few cartoons Disney probably wishes didn't get made, because caricatures and stereotypes were (and still are) prevalent in animation?

Disneyland has a level of popularity that's unmatched in themed entertainment. Disney has yet to build a park that matches the popularity of Walt's original. And it hasn't had a new 'classic' built since '95, and many of the creatives and management working at the park then are gone. Today's WDI and TDA inherited the park's popularity, and have spent much of their marketing dollars monetizing guest nostalgia for those early years. But now, that park they inherited is negative. And instead of spending their budget fixing areas of the park that are in desperate need of fixing- the Launch Bay and Tomorrowland being the biggest offender, they're spending money altering and outright removing popular attractions.

Oh, and much of TDA is still furloughed. Entertainment is gone. Thousands of hourly cast members have been living off of unemployment for months since Disney laid them off- but this is what they have a budget for? Making significant changes to two of the most beloved attractions ever?

I love you. sooo well put.

 

[1HAPPYGHOSTHOST]

One cannot negate unbiased facts with their opinions. Either the people in charge of designing Disneyland, who were predominately if not entirely white, excluded the contributions and perspectives of non-white Americans or they did not. The fact is they did. That is not a theory, sir.

I disagree with you there Doc.

 

[Disney Analyst]

That line is probably toast. History. Erased.

Because that line implies that Africa and South America and Asia is not as civilized as Disneyland USA. You are racist for even typing it! Or so the current fashionable tastemakers would say.

Honestly, I used to think it was a minor miracle that Disneyland escaped the period of 1968-1971 when the world went nutso and Yippies invaded and something as pure Americana as Disneyland was seen as the evil enemy by many very fashionable people in academia and the media, and maybe even an edia or two I've never heard of.

But today? In 2020-2021 and beyond? I have no words. The Jungle Cruise as designed by Walt Disney and Marc Davis is described as "negative" by official Disney press releases. Abraham Lincoln is now a racist evil white man that must be erased, any high school labeled Lincoln High is racist, and President Lincoln's show (that Walt was so personally proud of) on Main Street USA is likely headed to Yesterland. Heck, even Main Street USA is not immune; it's a representation of White Supremacy and all the evil that the USA represents. People in this very thread are itching to move to Canada.

Because.... the current Canadian Prime Minister who appeared repeatedly in Blackface in the 1990's and who has only vaccinated less than one third the amount of his citizens as the USA is somehow better? The mind boggles at that. But here we are.

And why is it that disgruntled liberal Americans always threaten to move to Canada (but never actually do), but they never mention Mexico? Is it racist that they automatically default to a country that is 81% white? Why not pick somewhere more diverse? Odd how that one always works. I'm moving to Canada! (Uh, no you're not. Trust me. You don't qualify for their strict immigration laws.)

I wonder if a place like Disneyland can even survive this Woke onslaught? Or, if Disneyland does survive to ring in 2023, will there be anything recognizable left besides Star Wars Land, a Starbucks, and a DVC cart?

Please leave Canada out of this. We have our own issues and don’t need Americans making it worse.

 

[1HAPPYGHOSTHOST]

How much you all wanna bet animatronics will be replaced with cardboard cutouts like at 3 Cabelleros? Look at Disney, continuing the great legacy of papa Chapek.


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whole new level of laziness.

 

[AnonymousStitch]

I'm also pleased about the transformation of Splash Mountain away from the Song of The South theme.

And what will happen and how would you feel if it won't happen?

 

[Brer Panther]

Apparently, the 2020s is the decade of making people feel guilty for liking Disney attractions.

 

[PiratesMansion]

So do you feel guilty, or do you not actually care about these changes, as other posts you've made have said?

Because it really can't be both.

And if you don't care, then why are you spending so much time circling back to it?

And honestly, given the last year or so, if changes to theme park attractions THAT HAVE LARGELY ALREADY BEEN CHANGED BEFORE are some of the biggest problems in your life, might I trade lives with you? Because I'd wager for most people in the last year, it wouldn't crack the top 10, top 20, top 100, even top 1000's of worries, concerns, or shocking circumstances.

I get that you're not the only one doing this, but MAN some people on here just must have incredibly delicate and fragile lives that are several layers bubble-wrapped from genuine hardship and suffering if THIS is the hill they are choosing to die on right now, a hill they claim they don't care about yet keep circling back to, again and again.

 

[Brer Panther]

I don't give a crap about the Jungle Cruise changes. I just don't like seeing people bicker over whether or not an iconic Disney ride is offensive. All of the back and forth "It's not racist!" "Yes it is, and YOU'RE racist for liking it!" "But it's not racist!" "Yes it is!" "No it isn't!" "Yes it is!" is getting annoying.

 

[Californian Elitist]

I don't give a crap about the Jungle Cruise changes. I just don't like seeing people bicker over whether or not an iconic Disney ride is offensive. All of the back and forth "It's not racist!" "Yes it is, and YOU'RE racist for liking it!" "But it's not racist!" "Yes it is!" "No it isn't!" "Yes it is!" is getting annoying.

Who here has said others were racist for liking it? Must be Twitter.

If you don’t like it, stay away from the discussions.

 

[PiratesMansion]

I don't give a crap about the Jungle Cruise changes. I just don't like seeing people bicker over whether or not an iconic Disney ride is offensive. All of the back and forth "It's not racist!" "Yes it is, and YOU'RE racist for liking it!" "But it's not racist!" "Yes it is!" "No it isn't!" "Yes it is!" is getting annoying.

I really think the degree of "you're racist for liking it" rhetoric is vastly overstated. I don't really see any of that. Perhaps I'm not thorough enough in my forum-deep dives. Almost no one has actually said that.

Even the people who have been accused of saying that have proven that they have never actually said that.

What I do see is people sharing their experiences and thoughts about how they have been affected by prejudices in the past and being coldly dismissed by people who simply don't want to hear it, and aren't open to hearing about it, even if they themselves have experienced predjudicial thoughts and actions from others. Who then, in turn, pounce on people who are not actually advocating for this change, but understand it. And instead of trying to listen and understand, it's been a lot of "poor ME, MY DizNeYlAnD is rUiNeD!111111"

As if they are competing in a contest to see who has been the most personally victimized by this change that frankly doesn't even matter!

Or suspiciously talking in a way that SEEMS to basically be that, but then claim that's not what they're saying and they've been misunderstood.

That's what I see. YMMV.

 

[BrianLo]

Who here has said others were racist for liking it? Must be Twitter.

So strange. I honestly think people are just arguing with some figment in their head at this point. Then they start latching on to others and pile on. No one here has ever said this apart from people who think someone has said so. I'm sure someone somewhere has said it, but why are we yielding to fringe trolls?

Jungle Cruise is a great attraction, there's two (or three) scenes that are somewhat problematic when looked at through today's lens. They'll fix them, frankly barely even altering the intent of the gag of one. The other replacement scene actually looks like it could be pretty good.

More people will feel included and Jungle Cruise will continue to live on.

The end.

 

[Californian Elitist]

I really think the degree of "you're racist for liking it" rhetoric is vastly overstated. I don't really any of that. Perhaps I'm not thorough enough in my forum-deep dives. Almost no one has actually said that.

Even the people who have been accused of saying that have proven that they have never actually said that.

What I do see is people sharing their experiences and thoughts about how they have been affected by prejudices in the past and being coldly dismissed by people who simply don't want to hear it, and aren't open to hearing about it, even if they themselves have experienced predjudicial thoughts and actions from others. Who then, in turn, pounce on people who are not actually advocating for this change, but understand it. And instead of trying to listen and understand, it's been a lot of "poor ME, MY DizNeYlAnD is rUiNeD!111111"

As if they are competing in a contest to see who has been the most personally victimized by this change that frankly doesn't even matter!

Or suspiciously talking in a way that SEEMS to basically be that, but then claim that's not what they're saying and they've been misunderstood.

That's what I see. YMMV.

Thank you. Folks are now making things up to make themselves appear bullied.

 

[Disney Analyst]

Thank you. Folks are now making things up to make themselves appear bullied.

I think people are literally concocting narratives in their head to try and justify why they feel called out or annoyed by these changes.

This is the issue with conversations like these online, intent is completely lost.

Maybe we need to have a zoom call and we can all discuss this for real.

 

[Californian Elitist]

So strange. I honestly think people are just arguing with some figment in their head at this point. Then they start latching on to others and pile on. No one here has ever said this apart from people who think someone has said so. I'm sure someone somewhere has said it, but why are we yielding to fringe trolls?

Jungle Cruise is a great attraction, there's two (or three) scenes that are somewhat problematic when looked at through today's lens. They'll fix them, frankly barely even altering the intent of the gag of one. The other replacement scene actually looks like it could be pretty good.

More people will feel included and Jungle Cruise will continue to live on.

The end.

They’re absolutely making it up and it’s getting weird.

Like you said, things will move on. I’ve gotten to a place where I expect changes at the parks and have detached myself from caring that much. The redhead from Pirates is a perfect example. I was livid when they initially announced the news, but time has passed and I really don’t care at all. I’ll still get on during every visit. Don’t care about SW:GE anymore, don’t care about all the other Star Wars crap, the lack of progress for Tomorrowland, etc. Not enough to pout and complain like I used to. Pixar Pier is still trash, but I’ve gotten over the fact that it’s not going anywhere. It is what it is and more changes are coming.

Get used to the changes or stop going.