CaptinEO
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They honestly should. Bring back some Disney history with those two.
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Jungle Cruise Update
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mickEblu
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Agree (kind of) but I’ll take his removal and the wretched Audio came with it however it comes
You want me to figure out your argument and argue for you. That's pretty much your game.
Professortango1
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Yes, my friends do speak about their experiences with discrimination. Maybe yours do not speak about it in your circles because they are aware that this would be the response.
With everything going on right now, having racial issues discussed isn't that bizarre of a concept. Its front and center with recent events.
I know our theatre group held a few open forums to review our policies and procedures to see where we might not appear welcoming to other communities in our city as well as discussing the kinds of stories they would like to see vs things we should avoid when trying to be inclusive.
And your list of Animatronics as an excuse to claim the natives were good representation for BIPOC people is a bit absurd. Context matters. You have mentioned you're homosexual. Would only adding homosexual characters to Toad's Hell scene work for you? How about a flamboyant lisping Mel Brooks-esque wardrobe character in Hollywoodland to act as a walking punchline to a director character? Having black people represented by literal spear chucking savages who collect the heads of the white explorers is a bit myopic.
Professortango1
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Fun Fact; the ending Pinocchio figure is still a puppet.
britain
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This might seem sort of off topic, but I don't think it really is:
www.hollywoodreporter.com
It's a big piece with lots of different things in it, but a good portion is about the difficult minefield of trying to have genuine conversations about racism and sexism at Pixar, not just follow perfunctory scripts.
Reanimating Pixar: How Pete Docter Steered the Studio Out of Scandal
After John Lasseter's exit, the 'Soul' co-director has reinvigorated Disney’s multi billion-dollar Oscar-winning powerhouse by ushering in a new diverse generation of filmmakers and projects.
www.hollywoodreporter.com
It's a big piece with lots of different things in it, but a good portion is about the difficult minefield of trying to have genuine conversations about racism and sexism at Pixar, not just follow perfunctory scripts.
Californian Elitist
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No, I simply don't feel like wasting my time in trying to explain things to you because I know you're not ready to hear it. That's definitely my game.
Californian Elitist
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Same here. I love Johnny Depp and don't think he deserves all the flack he's getting, but I do wish the Sparrow animatronics were gone.
Little Green Men
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It’s clear you have no desire to learn or care about how this affects African Americans so why are you even in this thread?
1HAPPYGHOSTHOST
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I understand just fine what you are saying, I am just 100% disagreeing with your hypothesis. I am not trying to attack you, I like you. You are a great poster and fun and I really hope you fully recover from coivd and I am sorry that happened to you. It's just sometimes I think you are a little too sensitive about things and sometimes try to look for things to be offended by.
1HAPPYGHOSTHOST
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Wrong. We are upset because 1. They are unnecessary. Changes just for changes sake especially for a ride that has been around since the 1950s that is beloved the world over. 2. We see the writing on the wall, first with SPLASH, then with SNOW WHITE, and now JUNGLE CRUISE that the classic attractions are not safe and Disney is going to make changes until the point the rides wont be what we fell in love with anymore. Eventually they will get to a change you do care about.
1HAPPYGHOSTHOST
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I can't find Captain Kidd's lol
1HAPPYGHOSTHOST
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THIS^^^ THANK YOU!
1HAPPYGHOSTHOST
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Who is this white guy?
1HAPPYGHOSTHOST
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The one with the tiger looking back at his butt had me rolling. omg thats good stuff.
TP2000
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Yes, I even forgot all about Star Wars Land when I tallied Disneyland's human animatronics. But then we got into that really interesting discussion about racial prejudice and such a few minutes later, and I never went back to amend it.
I plan to update that list to include Star Wars Land, plus flesh out the Fantasyland dark rides more than just listing the specific country their original author was from.
I still think that's a really interesting tally to make; the number of human animatronics in Disneyland and their gender and race/ethnicity compared to the demographic makeup of the USA in the 21st century. Especially when some Disneyland fans feel that they are "given crumbs" by the Walt Disney Company due to a lack of racial representation in amusement park rides.
Stay tuned for an amended and updated list!
That seems like a boring conversation and training session. You sit there in silence while I drone on with HR approved talking points, and then at the end of the 2 hours you get to answer politely by asking some PC pre-approved question like "How can I continue being an ally and supportive of the LGBTQ+ Up With People Community?" Why the heck wouldn't you have a right to speak up? You are an employee there and just as equal as any other employee regardless of their race/ethnicity/religion/gender/sexual orientation, etc.
That type of workplace "discussion" just seems so stilted and fake and all rather meaningless. Like a bad Twitter feed.
I appreciate that you would want to be polite and respectful of a community you don't experience personally. But at some point, we just all need to stop being so darn scripted and fake about this stuff and just treat each other as adults and talk it out. A "Listening Session" sounds boring and mildly oppressive, like a more polite version of the Struggle Sessions the Communists did to political opponents during China's 1960's pogroms. An actual adult "Discussion" sounds much more productive to me.
As for my personal approach to race relations? I just try to follow the Golden Rule, and it's served me very, very well for decades. I can look back on a life well lived with pride and very fun memories because I (almost always
) followed the Golden Rule.In your HR training sessions, do you ever just break it down to simple basics like that?... Treat others as you would want to be treated?
TP2000
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Context does matter. But remember these are animatronics often seen only for a few seconds in passing boats or cars, and they don't have a chance to establish big dialogue.
I didn't claim the Jungle Cruise natives were a "good" representation of Africans, nor did I claim they were a "bad" representation of Africans. I merely claimed that they currently exist in a Disneyland E Ticket.
I think @raven24 actually had a valid point and an interesting angle on which cultures and what type of people are represented in rides at Disneyland. There's a bunch of stuff that just doesn't translate, like singing chickens or creepy aliens in a spaceport, but there are quite a few rides at Disneyland that have humans in realistic settings, and/or a story based on a specific nation's culture.
I plan to flesh out that tally of human representation at Disneyland rides more later tonight, over a Digestif while I enjoy the rain. I find it something really interesting we've never discussed here before!
Not only am I a Homosexual, but I am a practicing Homosexual!
Adding gays to the Hell scene on Toad would just be creepy, but also not related in any way to the source material from the book. But I get it, you are using an analogy of something Anita Bryant circa 1970 would approve of.
Adding a Dom Deluise character from Blazing Saddles to wander around Hollywoodland (with his assistant trailing him constantly with his bar cart) would be HYSTERICAL!
Context matters, as you say. And doing this in the right way would be wonderfully funny! Sounds like steam escaping!
Not only that, they named a hotel bar after him! I really do wonder what happens to Traders Sam's at the Disneyland Hotel? Do they turn Trader Sam into a white man who is selling trinkets at the end of the ride so they can keep the name and the mystique, or do they just erase him entirely from existence and rename the bar Rosita's Hideaway?
That's something they will need to figure out, if Trader Sam does indeed disappear from history like a Russian General after a bad night at the Kremlin.
Californian Elitist
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You are disagreeing with my experiences, which doesn’t make sense. You don’t understand my post.
I’m not offended by anything. More proof that you actually don’t understand. Again, I’ve already made it very clear that I don’t care whether the animatronics stay or not. How and why some of you aren’t understanding that, I’m not sure.
And please don’t come to me about sensitivity when you constantly troll the boards about Disneyland being the almighty best, trying to pass your opinions off as facts.
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Californian Elitist
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But it’s just a ride, so why are you putting so much energy into this thread and into trying to dismiss my experiences as a black woman? It’s not that big of a deal. We have bigger issues to worry about.