Journey of Water featuring Moana coming to Epcot

[doctornick]

Clearly it was. But you weren’t aware of it from the ground?

I think the bigger point is to whether that symmetry was aesthetically pleasing from ground level. I can understand how the symmetry was satisfying when looking at the map or with overhead photos but I’m not sure it really has an impact to guests in the park. YYMV

 

[marni1971]

I think the bigger point is to whether that symmetry was aesthetically pleasing from ground level. I can understand how the symmetry was satisfying when looking at the map or with overhead photos but I’m not sure it really has an impact to guests in the park. YYMV

My mileage certainly does. Did. Idiots.

 

[Disney Analyst]

Yeah, the symmetry does not and did not matter to me in this situation.

I never experienced Epcot before 2013… so of course I don’t have the history or nostalgia fuelling me.

 

[marni1971]

I never experienced Epcot before 2013…

Condolences

 

[CastAStone]

I think the bigger point is to whether that symmetry was aesthetically pleasing from ground level. I can understand how the symmetry was satisfying when looking at the map or with overhead photos but I’m not sure it really has an impact to guests in the park. YYMV

The point I would make is that the central area was obviously a circle (especially obvious with the checkerboard-bullseye canopy), but it wasn’t obviously symmetrical, with the Fountain View bump out and the horrible multi-colored paint on the roof line creating a lot of visual chaos.

I imagine it was more symmetrical in 1991 but I don’t really have any memories of that specific area on my 1993 trip.

The inside of communicore, yes, the outside, no.

 

[The Aracuan Bird]

Four.

I noticed it when I was four.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Future World had 3 pavilions on one side and 4 (5 if you count Odyssey) on the other. That anti-symmetry was enough to justify burning the whole park to the ground. With that imbalance, no wonder why Horizons fell into that sinkhole!!

 

[uncle jimmy]

Future World had 3 pavilions on one side and 4 (5 if you count Odyssey) on the other. That anti-symmetry was enough to justify burning the whole park to the ground. With that imbalance, no wonder why Horizons fell into that sinkhole!!

I'ma little late to this Epcot symmetry thing, but wasn't it suppose to be the right and left side of the brain, from above it looked like the brain?

 

[MisterPenguin]

I'ma little late to this Epcot symmetry thing, but wasn't it suppose to be the right and left side of the brain, from above it looked like the brain?

Well, then, the left hemisphere would be missing a lobe with the 3 v. 4 pavilion asymmetry.

The left v. right brain thing is a myth. While certain parts of the brain do have dedicated tasks, there's no science to show that an entire hemisphere is dedicated to creativity and the other is analytic and that one being dominant over the other determines your personality.

I read once someone debunking that left v. right theory about Epcot buying into that brain myth. But, that person could be wrong and indeed the imagineers of the time believed in the left/right dichotomy.

The funny thing is that, on the Internet, you'll see that everyone point out the layout of the paths is 'proof' of that intentional left v. right design.

One would think the pavilions should have also fallen into that dichotomy, but they don't. It's clear that The Land and The Seas isn't about someone being "creative." It's about exploring the natural world, which requires analytic observation and discovery. Only Imagination would work under the left/right scheme.

The better explanation for the meandering paths in the West is that they were made to more organic, like Nature, as a nod to Seas and Land. Not because someone was super artsy and couldn't walk a straight line because of how creative they were.

 

[DreamfinderGuy]

The funny thing is that, on the Internet, you'll see that everyone point out the layout of the paths is 'proof' of that intentional left v. right design.

Disney themselves has done that too. They posted about it on their now long dead Twitter account, and I'm pretty sure that even made it into the Imagineer's Guide to EPCOT book. Though that was the same book that referred to the Fountain of Nations by the wrong name so it doesn't exactly have much standing power.

 

[SteveAZee]

Clearly it was. But you weren’t aware of it from the ground?

To a degree, yes.. it helped navigate a bit knowing the general layout, but it being symmetric wasn't.... interesting... at ground level? Also, until it was pointed out here (and probably by you) how the west side layout (paths, pavilions, etc) was organic/natural while the east side was more engineered/manmade... I hadn't really noticed it at ground level. LOL, I'll admit I don't always see what's right in front of me (ask my wife), but if it had an impact on me, it was very, very subtle.

 

[lazyboy97o]

I think the bigger point is to whether that symmetry was aesthetically pleasing from ground level. I can understand how the symmetry was satisfying when looking at the map or with overhead photos but I’m not sure it really has an impact to guests in the park. YYMV

We’re you ever confused as to whether or not you were in Future World or World Showcase? Future World had an underlying organization to its layout. World Celebrate is this glob that just stretches out. What will tell you you’ve crossed from it to World Nature or World Discovery?

 

[DreamfinderGuy]

We’re you ever confused as to whether or not you were in Future World or World Showcase? Future World had an underlying organization to its layout. World Celebrate is this glob that just stretches out. What will tell you you’ve crossed from it to World Nature or World Discovery?

Color coding. When the signage and ODV cube things become different colors you'll know you're in a new area. Or in the case of World Nature, it's kinda self explanatory.

 

[sedati]

We’re you ever confused as to whether or not you were in Future World or World Showcase?

I was confused at why we start our EPCOT journey in the future (where we're going) and end in the past (where we've been.) Even the Mad Hatter knew to "start and the beginning and when you come to the end... stop."

 

[GimpYancIent]

We’re you ever confused as to whether or not you were in Future World or World Showcase? Future World had an underlying organization to its layout. World Celebrate is this glob that just stretches out. What will tell you you’ve crossed from it to World Nature or World Discovery?

Then there are a whole lot of people that do not care! It's all about eating, drinking, having some experiences, seeing some things, riding some rides and generally using some imagination along with having a good time. Don't need a road or layout map nor organizational spaghetti chart for that.

 

[James Alucobond]

We’re you ever confused as to whether or not you were in Future World or World Showcase? Future World had an underlying organization to its layout. World Celebrate is this glob that just stretches out. What will tell you you’ve crossed from it to World Nature or World Discovery?

What tells you you've crossed from Liberty Square into Adventureland and on into Frontierland? Transitions don't have to be hard lines. If you feel you need a line of demarcation, just use the monorail.

 

[lazyboy97o]

What tells you you've crossed from Liberty Square into Adventureland and on into Frontierland? Transitions don't have to be hard lines. If you feel you need a line of demarcation, just use the monorail.

The organizations the space and its aesthetic change.

World Celebration extends beyond the monorail.

 

[Animaniac93-98]

What will tell you you’ve crossed from it to World Nature or World Discovery?

Your EPCOT W.E.D.W.A.Y. Finder® will change colour and announce what area of the park you're entering.

Available at most park gift shops for $79.99 + tax.

 

[James Alucobond]

The organizations the space and its aesthetic change.

I think this is missing some commas or prepositions, so hopefully I'm deciphering this correctly as I respond to it.

I feel like folks are just being willfully obtuse when they act like this change will confuse people. Do we have to manufacture concern over things that pretty clearly won't be problems? If anything, this will improve wayfinding. The center of World Celebration becomes a compass unto itself—north toward the geodesic sphere for the entrance and Spaceship Earth thesis; east toward the concrete crescent for the more modern and futuristic vibe of World Discovery; south toward the lagoon for World Showcase; and west toward the landscaped environs for World Nature.

I absolutely get arguments over the loss of the grand reveal on each side, and I understand distress over the loss of CommuniCore as both an attraction and an anchoring object in space for a unified Future World. But the idea that people are going to enter the park and suddenly be left feeling totally unmoored and rendered completely incapable of discerning where things begin and end seems ludicrous.

 

[lazyboy97o]

I think this is missing some commas or prepositions, so hopefully I'm deciphering this correctly as I respond to it.

I feel like folks are just being willfully obtuse when they act like this change will confuse people. Do we have to manufacture concern over things that pretty clearly won't be problems? If anything, this will improve wayfinding. The center of World Celebration becomes a compass unto itself—north toward the geodesic sphere for the entrance and Spaceship Earth thesis; east toward the concrete crescent for the more modern and futuristic vibe of World Discovery; south toward the lagoon for World Showcase; and west toward the landscaped environs for World Nature.

I absolutely get arguments over the loss of the grand reveal on each side, and I understand distress over the loss of CommuniCore as both an attraction and an anchoring object in space for a unified Future World. But the idea that people are going to enter the park and suddenly be left feeling totally unmoored and rendered completely incapable of discerning where things begin and end seems ludicrous.

Except that you and others keep mixing up where it does end. You said it ends at the monorail when it does not. World Celebration does not have the compass style organization you describe as it also extends East and west.