EPCOT Journey of Water featuring Moana coming to Epcot

[SteveAZee]

Clearly it was. But you weren’t aware of it from the ground?

To a degree, yes.. it helped navigate a bit knowing the general layout, but it being symmetric wasn't.... interesting... at ground level? Also, until it was pointed out here (and probably by you) how the west side layout (paths, pavilions, etc) was organic/natural while the east side was more engineered/manmade... I hadn't really noticed it at ground level. LOL, I'll admit I don't always see what's right in front of me (ask my wife), but if it had an impact on me, it was very, very subtle.

 

[lazyboy97o]

I think the bigger point is to whether that symmetry was aesthetically pleasing from ground level. I can understand how the symmetry was satisfying when looking at the map or with overhead photos but I’m not sure it really has an impact to guests in the park. YYMV

We’re you ever confused as to whether or not you were in Future World or World Showcase? Future World had an underlying organization to its layout. World Celebrate is this glob that just stretches out. What will tell you you’ve crossed from it to World Nature or World Discovery?

 

[DreamfinderGuy]

We’re you ever confused as to whether or not you were in Future World or World Showcase? Future World had an underlying organization to its layout. World Celebrate is this glob that just stretches out. What will tell you you’ve crossed from it to World Nature or World Discovery?

Color coding. When the signage and ODV cube things become different colors you'll know you're in a new area. Or in the case of World Nature, it's kinda self explanatory.

 

[sedati]

We’re you ever confused as to whether or not you were in Future World or World Showcase?

I was confused at why we start our EPCOT journey in the future (where we're going) and end in the past (where we've been.) Even the Mad Hatter knew to "start and the beginning and when you come to the end... stop."

 

[GimpYancIent]

We’re you ever confused as to whether or not you were in Future World or World Showcase? Future World had an underlying organization to its layout. World Celebrate is this glob that just stretches out. What will tell you you’ve crossed from it to World Nature or World Discovery?

Then there are a whole lot of people that do not care! It's all about eating, drinking, having some experiences, seeing some things, riding some rides and generally using some imagination along with having a good time. Don't need a road or layout map nor organizational spaghetti chart for that.

 

[James Alucobond]

We’re you ever confused as to whether or not you were in Future World or World Showcase? Future World had an underlying organization to its layout. World Celebrate is this glob that just stretches out. What will tell you you’ve crossed from it to World Nature or World Discovery?

What tells you you've crossed from Liberty Square into Adventureland and on into Frontierland? Transitions don't have to be hard lines. If you feel you need a line of demarcation, just use the monorail.

 

[lazyboy97o]

What tells you you've crossed from Liberty Square into Adventureland and on into Frontierland? Transitions don't have to be hard lines. If you feel you need a line of demarcation, just use the monorail.

The organizations the space and its aesthetic change.

World Celebration extends beyond the monorail.

 

[Animaniac93-98]

What will tell you you’ve crossed from it to World Nature or World Discovery?

Your EPCOT W.E.D.W.A.Y. Finder® will change colour and announce what area of the park you're entering.

Available at most park gift shops for $79.99 + tax.

 

[James Alucobond]

The organizations the space and its aesthetic change.

I think this is missing some commas or prepositions, so hopefully I'm deciphering this correctly as I respond to it.

I feel like folks are just being willfully obtuse when they act like this change will confuse people. Do we have to manufacture concern over things that pretty clearly won't be problems? If anything, this will improve wayfinding. The center of World Celebration becomes a compass unto itself—north toward the geodesic sphere for the entrance and Spaceship Earth thesis; east toward the concrete crescent for the more modern and futuristic vibe of World Discovery; south toward the lagoon for World Showcase; and west toward the landscaped environs for World Nature.

I absolutely get arguments over the loss of the grand reveal on each side, and I understand distress over the loss of CommuniCore as both an attraction and an anchoring object in space for a unified Future World. But the idea that people are going to enter the park and suddenly be left feeling totally unmoored and rendered completely incapable of discerning where things begin and end seems ludicrous.

 

[lazyboy97o]

I think this is missing some commas or prepositions, so hopefully I'm deciphering this correctly as I respond to it.

I feel like folks are just being willfully obtuse when they act like this change will confuse people. Do we have to manufacture concern over things that pretty clearly won't be problems? If anything, this will improve wayfinding. The center of World Celebration becomes a compass unto itself—north toward the geodesic sphere for the entrance and Spaceship Earth thesis; east toward the concrete crescent for the more modern and futuristic vibe of World Discovery; south toward the lagoon for World Showcase; and west toward the landscaped environs for World Nature.

I absolutely get arguments over the loss of the grand reveal on each side, and I understand distress over the loss of CommuniCore as both an attraction and an anchoring object in space for a unified Future World. But the idea that people are going to enter the park and suddenly be left feeling totally unmoored and rendered completely incapable of discerning where things begin and end seems ludicrous.

Except that you and others keep mixing up where it does end. You said it ends at the monorail when it does not. World Celebration does not have the compass style organization you describe as it also extends East and west.

 

[DreamfinderGuy]

World Celebration extends beyond the monorail.

Not only that, World Nature is within the monorail line as well.

 

[MisterPenguin]

We’re you ever confused as to whether or not you were in Future World or World Showcase? Future World had an underlying organization to its layout. World Celebrate is this glob that just stretches out. What will tell you you’ve crossed from it to World Nature or World Discovery?

Well, when Fountain of Nations was in Future World instead of in World Showcase... yeah.

 

[James Alucobond]

Wait, how far does it extend east and west? Aside from the blobs in the southeast and southwest encompassing things like the ever ill-defined EPCOT Experience building, all the neighborhood overlays I've seen otherwise follow the monorail pretty much exactly.

 

[DreamfinderGuy]

Wait, how far does it extend east and west? Aside from the blobs in the southeast and southwest encompassing things like the ever ill-defined EPCOT Experience building, all the neighborhood overlays I've seen otherwise follow the monorail pretty much exactly.

Here’s an old overlay I made. It’s not 100% accurate (Nature doesn’t leech into the monorail line *that* much, lines are kinda weird (why did I not include the lakes in Future World?)) but it’s enough for illustrative purposes and is better than the one Disney did.

 

[James Alucobond]

Here’s an old overlay I made. It’s not 100% accurate (Nature doesn’t leech into the monorail line *that* much, lines are kinda weird (why did I not include the lakes in Future World?)) but it’s enough for illustrative purposes and is better than the one Disney did.

Then I am indeed confused, because I thought the art Disney shared showed Journey of Water as part of World Celebration, traced the outline of the monorail, and only broke from it for Imagination and the Epcot Experience.

 

[DreamfinderGuy]

Then I am indeed confused, because I thought the art Disney shared showed Journey of Water as part of World Celebration, traced the outline of the monorail, and only broke from it for Imagination and the Epcot Experience.

That was because Disney’s outline was made to look more pleasing to the eye. We know Journey of Water is part of World Nature, the concept art shows it taking over nearly the entirety of the northwest CommuniCore, thereby making that plot part of World Nature.

 

[James Alucobond]

That was because Disney’s outline was made to look more pleasing to the eye. We know Journey of Water is part of World Nature, the concept art shows it taking over nearly the entirety of the northwest CommuniCore, thereby making that plot part of World Nature.

Yes, I knew it was inside the monorail ring, I just thought based on their neighborhood overlay that it was considered Celebration and would act as the connecting "gateway" since it's supposed to talk about the cycle of water, which thematically connects land and sea. Had no idea it was officially considered a World Nature attraction.

 

[DreamfinderGuy]

Yes, I knew it was inside the monorail ring, I just thought based on their neighborhood overlay that it was considered Celebration and would act as the connecting "gateway" since it's supposed to talk about the cycle of water, which thematically connects land and sea. Had no idea it was officially considered a World Nature attraction.

I think it’s...both? It’s officially considered a World Nature attraction and has a colored logo to match that, but it’s also marketed as a gateway to the rest of the land. It’s a weird beast of it’s own.

 

[TikibirdLand]

Ohhhhh... I never had that problem... but counting is fun!

Is that a quote from Elf? Singing is Fun!

 

[TikibirdLand]

Yeah, the symmetry does not and did not matter to me in this situation.

I never experienced Epcot before 2013… so of course I don’t have the history or nostalgia fuelling me.

Event in 2013, if you came into EPCoT via monorail, you couldn't have ignored the communicore symmetry. I think it set the tone of what you were about to see in the park. As you made the turn-around, each of the pavilions came into view and the anticipation grew. Too bad they removed the happenings in a lot of these buildings took away that expectation.