EPCOT Journey of Water featuring Moana coming to Epcot

[Disstevefan1]

There is some (possibly fake news)that there are more broken water elements in Moana?

We need boots on the ground to see if it’s true or not.

 

[Cmdr_Crimson]

There is some (possibly fake news)that there are more broken water elements in Moana?

We need boots on the ground to see if it’s true or not.

Let's ask the star of the attraction herself..

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

There is some (possibly fake news)that there are more broken water elements in Moana?

We need boots on the ground to see if it’s true or not.

I just went through for the first time this week and didn’t see any noticeable broken effects but not sure what I would be missing

 

[MisterPenguin]

I just went through for the first time this week and didn’t see any noticeable broken effects but not sure what I would be missing

Was the water sufficiently wet?

 

[Epcot82Guy]

I just went through for the first time this week and didn’t see any noticeable broken effects but not sure what I would be missing

Having been through a number of times now, I think the main issues are:
1. You'll often see at least one station in or two areas broken. This is usually the case when I walk through. The usual suspects are the water chimes, the hi five and the water curtain.
2. A number of the ambient effects often don't go off (like jumping areas in the Stream and River areas as well as various "supplemental" fountains in the Ocean area). If you hadn't been through before, you wouldn't notice this.
3. Occasionally, a whole area will be off. But, that's more rare. The Ocean "wave" is the one I've seen off twice. But, I've seen it on more often than that.

It's not bad, but it's a bit surprisingly to have that much impact on something so new. That's what people are mostly seeing, I would say. You can still enjoy the attraction no doubt. But, it is noticeable if you look for it.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Having been through a number of times now, I think the main issues are:
1. You'll often see at least one station in or two areas broken. This is usually the case when I walk through. The usual suspects are the water chimes, the hi five and the water curtain.
2. A number of the ambient effects often don't go off (like jumping areas in the Stream and River areas as well as various "supplemental" fountains in the Ocean area). If you hadn't been through before, you wouldn't notice this.
3. Occasionally, a whole area will be off. But, that's more rare. The Ocean "wave" is the one I've seen off twice. But, I've seen it on more often than that.

It's not bad, but it's a bit surprisingly to have that much impact on something so new. That's what people are mostly seeing, I would say. You can still enjoy the attraction no doubt. But, it is noticeable if you look for it.

I think everything was working then.

I give Disney A+ for doing a fun walk-through attraction that all ages can enjoy together.

It doesn’t currently fit Epcot at all, feels like a perfect fit for DAK or Adventureland.

 

[Chef idea Mickey`=]

It seems the current (employeees) who worked on JOW vs the ones that did World Celebration Gardens were not the same and totally opposite when working on a disney project. One was still a disney parks magical experience, the other is not, it's not even Epcot or Disney to me. I'm embracing JOW vibes a tranquil spot just like Japan pavilion gardens by the koi pond. They might as well use the space for all the art booths for Festival of The Arts... having the art booths around the countries is ugly to me, it's not like they had paintings from those countries. Now they have no excuse not to have a parade because of World Showcase festival crowds...let it Tapestry of Nations around World Celebration lol...

 

[Cmdr_Crimson]

I think everything was working then.

I give Disney A+ for doing a fun walk-through attraction that all ages can enjoy together.

It doesn’t currently fit Epcot at all, feels like a perfect fit for DAK or Adventureland.

Kind of like the Cretasious Trail in Dinoland..Many don't recall it's there but it is if you want a little bit of quietness in the area.

 

[Disstevefan1]

It seems the current (employeees) who worked on JOW vs the ones that did World Celebration Gardens were not the same and totally opposite when working on a disney project. One was still a disney parks magical experience, the other is not, it's not even Epcot or Disney to me. I'm embracing JOW vibes a tranquil spot just like Japan pavilion gardens by the koi pond. They might as well use the space for all the art booths for Festival of The Arts... having the art booths around the countries is ugly to me, it's not like they had paintings from those countries. Now they have no excuse not to have a parade because of World Showcase festival crowds...let it Tapestry of Nations around World Celebration lol...

It makes you wonder, did they spend so much on Moana that they ran out of money and knowing they had to finish celebration gardens they did whatever just to finish the area.

 

[lazyboy97o]

It seems the current (employeees) who worked on JOW vs the ones that did World Celebration Gardens were not the same and totally opposite when working on a disney project. One was still a disney parks magical experience, the other is not, it's not even Epcot or Disney to me. I'm embracing JOW vibes a tranquil spot just like Japan pavilion gardens by the koi pond. They might as well use the space for all the art booths for Festival of The Arts... having the art booths around the countries is ugly to me, it's not like they had paintings from those countries. Now they have no excuse not to have a parade because of World Showcase festival crowds...let it Tapestry of Nations around World Celebration lol...

Yes, different projects have different teams.

 

[Tony the Tigger]

Good Lord, all the back seat drivers here.

Disney made their decisions, no doubt weighing some of your arguments on their own, and this was the result.

It’s cute, it’s fun, it’s edutainment. It fits Epcot. The life cycle of water is science. The IP is in the background, just a jumping off point except for the finale. If that IP is enough to get a kid to learn about the life cycle of water, mission accomplished. Bonus: it will bring a little mist in the hot sun.

It’s not meant to draw people to WDW. It’s one of those extras we all laud. Well done.

Over analyzing where things “better belong” is tiresome. When you open your own theme park, you can make those decisions.

 

[osian]

It’s cute, it’s fun, it’s edutainment. It fits Epcot. The life cycle of water is science.

That fits any of the parks, Disney has always done cute, fun, edutainment, nature and science. Everywhere. In parks. On TV. In movies. It's not something that singles ECPOT out specifically. EPCOT isn't the sole home of edutainment.

The unique things about EPCOT are "human achievements", "wonders of enterprise", "man's ability to shape a world that offers hope". Could you explain where these elements are within JoW?

Disney is homogenising its parks, and indeed its resorts. Detheming the unique aspects, the same sort of content across all areas, with maybe a slight flavour added of the original ideas, but you would be hard pressed to tell the difference in many cases. Given that, perhaps we could indeed say that JoW fits into EPCOT. It actually fits anywhere.

 

[Incomudro]

That fits any of the parks, Disney has always done cute, fun, edutainment, nature and science. Everywhere. In parks. On TV. In movies. It's not something that singles ECPOT out specifically. EPCOT isn't the sole home of edutainment.

The unique things about EPCOT are "human achievements", "wonders of enterprise", "man's ability to shape a world that offers hope". Could you explain where these elements are within JoW?

Disney is homogenising its parks, and indeed its resorts. Detheming the unique aspects, the same sort of content across all areas, with maybe a slight flavour added of the original ideas, but you would be hard pressed to tell the difference in many cases. Given that, perhaps we could indeed say that JoW fits into EPCOT. It actually fits anywhere.

I can explain this by replacing your use of the word "are" between Epcot and "human achievements" with the word "was" in your post.

 

[osian]

I can explain this by replacing your use of the word "are" between Epcot and "human achievements" with the word "was" in your post.

Oh, have they replaced the aims? I must have missed this. Could you point me towards what Disney have said about it? Could you explain what it "is" now, if it's no longer that? Is it about edutainment now, as everyone keeps mentioning it.

As I said, Disney is homogenising its parks. But probably hasn't declared it in so many words.

 

[LittleBuford]

Let’s be real, even old-school EPCOT included fun edutainment that had little to do with celebrating humankind’s great achievements. Kitchen Kabaret, anyone?

 

[Chef idea Mickey`=]

That fits any of the parks, Disney has always done cute, fun, edutainment, nature and science. Everywhere. In parks. On TV. In movies. It's not something that singles ECPOT out specifically. EPCOT isn't the sole home of edutainment.

The unique things about EPCOT are "human achievements", "wonders of enterprise", "man's ability to shape a world that offers hope". Could you explain where these elements are within JoW?

Disney is homogenising its parks, and indeed its resorts. Detheming the unique aspects, the same sort of content across all areas, with maybe a slight flavour added of the original ideas, but you would be hard pressed to tell the difference in many cases. Given that, perhaps we could indeed say that JoW fits into EPCOT. It actually fits anywhere.

The phrase Detheming the unique is hard to swallow.

 

[osian]

Let’s be real, even old-school EPCOT included fun edutainment that had little to do with celebrating humankind’s great achievements. Kitchen Kabaret, anyone?

I never experienced Kitchen Kabaret, but from what I know of it I think I see it as part of the whole symbiosis thing, the theme of the Land Pavilion, as inscribed on the plaque outside. We work in harmony with the land in a sustainable way to cultivate the food and nutrients we need. Kitchen Kabaret explains why. Listen To The Land explains how. Then go and eat the food in the restaurant! It was a really cohesive thing I thought, and totally on-theme with the subject of human interaction with the world in order to secure our future.

If JoW explained how we can harness the power of water or how we can develop systems for communities that don't have easy access to drinkable water, that sort of thing, or was even part of a larger more cohesive exposition like The Land, it would have been more fitting. Maybe more integrated with The Seas, but the cohesive nature of the Seas Pavilion has been diluted and melted away too so each individual attraction there would seem disjointed with no connection between them. On reflection, a rainwater attraction probably belongs more with the original Land premise. But at the end of the day it isn't such a grand thing. It's a splash pad.

KK wasn't a detached thing, outside of The Land and out of context.

Food for thought.

 

[LittleBuford]

KK wasn't a detached thing, outside of The Land and out of context.

Food for thought.

It was still a far sillier, less earnest attraction than Journey of Water. That’s not a criticism, by the way. We’re talking about a Disney theme park after all, not a schoolroom.

 

[Rich Brownn]

I never experienced Kitchen Kabaret, but from what I know of it I think I see it as part of the whole symbiosis thing, the theme of the Land Pavilion, as inscribed on the plaque outside. We work in harmony with the land in a sustainable way to cultivate the food and nutrients we need. Kitchen Kabaret explains why. Listen To The Land explains how. Then go and eat the food in the restaurant! It was a really cohesive thing I thought, and totally on-theme with the subject of human interaction with the world in order to secure our future.

If JoW explained how we can harness the power of water or how we can develop systems for communities that don't have easy access to drinkable water, that sort of thing, or was even part of a larger more cohesive exposition like The Land, it would have been more fitting. Maybe more integrated with The Seas, but the cohesive nature of the Seas Pavilion has been diluted and melted away too so each individual attraction there would seem disjointed with no connection between them. On reflection, a rainwater attraction probably belongs more with the original Land premise. But at the end of the day it isn't such a grand thing. It's a splash pad.

KK wasn't a detached thing, outside of The Land and out of context.

Food for thought.

It was all connected -- first how we work with the land ("Symbiosis") followed by how we use the Land ("Living With The Land") and then the harvest the land brings to us ("Food Rocks/Kitchen Cabaret") and why it all works together. Now, of course, it's all jumbled.

 

[Disgruntled Walt]

It was all connected -- first how we work with the land ("Symbiosis") followed by how we use the Land ("Living With The Land") and then the harvest the land brings to us ("Food Rocks/Kitchen Cabaret") and why it all works together. Now, of course, it's all jumbled.

But...but...you soar over...the Land...