Journey of Water featuring Moana coming to Epcot

Mainahman

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Glad to see more trees and such coming back. its a bit fuzzy, but i swear even in 2002 when i first visited, there were more trees than today.
 

Bocabear

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KikoKea

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Does WDI ever do water-features wrong, though?
That's long been one of their best track records.
Sorry- did not see your comment. You're right, Disney does water, as well as rockwork, very well. I have high hopes for this and am looking forward to it. They do have a track record of cheaping out, and that concerns me. I'd love to see more water features in the parks!
 

doctornick

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I know I'm opening myself to being called a heretic or whatever, but I don't really see what is so amazing about those images. I mean, they look pleasant enough but to me it's just some curved bodies of water next to some lawn. I know I often don't really "get" design elements that some on here either praise or rant about but the Moana area with waterfalls and gushers and rockwork looks far more interesting to me (assuming that it ends up anything like the artwork).

I feel like if Disney put of concept art like the above two pictures today people would complain that some Holiday Inn down the street has better water features. 🤷‍♂️ Feel free to tear into me...
 

Incomudro

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I know I'm opening myself to being called a heretic or whatever, but I don't really see what is so amazing about those images. I mean, they look pleasant enough but to me it's just some curved bodies of water next to some lawn. I know I often don't really "get" design elements that some on here either praise or rant about but the Moana area with waterfalls and gushers and rockwork looks far more interesting to me (assuming that it ends up anything like the artwork).

I feel like if Disney put of concept art like the above two pictures today people would complain that some Holiday Inn down the street has better water features. 🤷‍♂️ Feel free to tear into me...

I'm with you.
It aged terribly.
It was very cool at the time though.
 

bUU

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It`s almost like Futureworld never had lovely, lush, water based landscaping
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Fully half that photo is concrete, and guests are viewing the "lovely, lush, water based landscaping" from afar, as if it were a komodo dragon. That's a perfect depiction of what I felt was wrong with the spine of EPCOT since the beginning and exactly what they're finally going to be fixing. I want it to be a park, not the campus of some kind of institute.
 

bUU

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I know I'm opening myself to being called a heretic or whatever, but I don't really see what is so amazing about those images. I mean, they look pleasant enough but to me it's just some curved bodies of water next to some lawn. I know I often don't really "get" design elements that some on here either praise or rant about but the Moana area with waterfalls and gushers and rockwork looks far more interesting to me (assuming that it ends up anything like the artwork).
I agree. What I hear in those comments is just a lot of pining for the past. But to be fair, maybe they really do prefer what they're expressing appreciation for. Others, like myself, simply don't like what they like and like what they vociferously hate. Luckily, things are trending our way.

Feel free to tear into me...
Because that is, indeed, how "they" respond to people who have a different perspective from them. Sad.
 

marni1971

Park History nut
Premium Member
Fully half that photo is concrete, and guests are viewing the "lovely, lush, water based landscaping" from afar, as if it were a komodo dragon. That's a perfect depiction of what I felt was wrong with the spine of EPCOT since the beginning and exactly what they're finally going to be fixing. I want it to be a park, not the campus of some kind of institute.

You took your time.
 
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xdan0920

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I know I'm opening myself to being called a heretic or whatever, but I don't really see what is so amazing about those images. I mean, they look pleasant enough but to me it's just some curved bodies of water next to some lawn. I know I often don't really "get" design elements that some on here either praise or rant about but the Moana area with waterfalls and gushers and rockwork looks far more interesting to me (assuming that it ends up anything like the artwork).

I feel like if Disney put of concept art like the above two pictures today people would complain that some Holiday Inn down the street has better water features. 🤷‍♂️ Feel free to tear into me...
The artwork is B-E-A-utiful. However, there is approximately 0% chance it looks anything like the Concept art. It's just not even possible.
 

trainplane3

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The artwork is B-E-A-utiful. However, there is approximately 0% chance it looks anything like the Concept art. It's just not even possible.
I look forward to railing and curbs everywhere because I'm sure legal would love to allow direct access to a body of water, regardless of how deep it is.

If they allow it then it'll be nice but I'm limiting my expectations.
 

gustaftp

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I know I'm opening myself to being called a heretic or whatever, but I don't really see what is so amazing about those images. I mean, they look pleasant enough but to me it's just some curved bodies of water next to some lawn. I know I often don't really "get" design elements that some on here either praise or rant about but the Moana area with waterfalls and gushers and rockwork looks far more interesting to me (assuming that it ends up anything like the artwork).

I feel like if Disney put of concept art like the above two pictures today people would complain that some Holiday Inn down the street has better water features. 🤷‍♂️ Feel free to tear into me...
The 1980s ponds aren't meant to draw attention to themselves, they are more a part of a tableau. What's amazing about them is that they are complementary to the architecture, which allows the architecture to shine even better; the whole is greater than the sum of its parts.

The biggest mistake with the 90s/2000s version of the area is that there was too much going on visually. It was a cluttered mess with wild colors, whirlygigs, tarps, a giant wand, inconsistent typefaces, etc. Every element was designed to draw attention to itself, instead of putting attention on the architecture and attractions within. It was made even worse just a few years ago (long after they should have realized their mistakes) by painting Innoventions dozens of colors rather than focusing on the clean architecture. It was akin to the 1998 Disneyland Tomorrowland paint job.

All that said, I am looking forward to the Journey of Water. I think it will set the stage for The Seas quite nicely. And if it is anything like the concept art, it can be complementary to the architecture from afar, while drawing people to it from a closer range.
Most Holiday Inns are cookie-cutter buildings, so having distinct water features makes them more interesting. EPCOT Center didn't need to distract anyone from cookie-cutter buildings.
 
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