Journey of Water featuring Moana coming to Epcot

[lazyboy97o]

While there is no arguing what you’ve said, the Journey of Water attraction should be part of World Nature shouldn’t it? It appears as if the building that was formally there is part of World Celebration. Maybe the entrance will be part of World Nature and that’s what counts.

The CommuniCore building was never part of World Celebration because it was torn down before the neighborhoods were established. The neighborhoods do not respond to the edge condition created by the monorail track, it does not follow the spatial organization of Future World.

The entrance to Journey of Water will face The Seas pavilion but be on the other side of the monorail. It will be fully within the spatial center of the park but completely turns its back on that space. A whole quadrant of the center will be walled off with landscape.

 

[doctornick]

While there is no arguing what you’ve said, the Journey of Water attraction should be part of World Nature shouldn’t it? It appears as if the building that was formally there is part of World Celebration. Maybe the entrance will be part of World Nature and that’s what counts.

The entrance and exit to JoW is next to the Seas and the attraction is part of World Nature. They took some of the footprint of the former Innoventions west building and annexed it to World Nature.

 

[Epcot82Guy]

As I've said, if they created a small nature-focused something facing the center to complete the circle, that would be fine. A cool living sculpture, a sustainable focused cafe, anything. It's the destruction of the layout that's one major problem for me.

 

[Casper Gutman]

Look, after a lot of very thorough discussion with upper management and consultants, we've decided Living Seas, Imagination, and the Play Pavilion belong in Fun Happy Land while the Land, Test Track, and Guardians are all part of Happy Fun Land. When the Play Pavilion opens, it and Moana will form a new section known as the Smile Corridor. Connections Cafe will also be part of this area, but only on Tuesdays and every other Saturday - otherwise it will be a component of Fun Happy Land. These new lands are clearly thematically, aesthetically, and geographically consistent and embody EPCOT's original purpose as understood by Walt himself. At some point, we may even color coordinate the trash cans to further unify the design concept.

 

[James Alucobond]

As I've said, if they created a small nature-focused something facing the center to complete the circle, that would be fine. A cool living sculpture, a sustainable focused cafe, anything. It's the destruction of the layout that's one major problem for me.

With CommuniCore Hall being the apparent new festival center, they should just extend some of the related activities into the area in front of Moana. Wouldn’t be hard to post the group paint-by-numbers there during Festival of the Arts, or to add unique topiaries during Flower and Garden.

 

[lazyboy97o]

With CommuniCore Hall being the apparent new festival center, they should just extend some of the related activities into the area in front of Moana. Wouldn’t be hard to post the group paint-by-numbers there during Festival of the Arts, or to add unique topiaries during Flower and Garden.

But then those are sitting in the walkways. One of the things people keep claiming is that this project opens things up.

 

[Patcheslee]

Consider its tree
We use each part of the coconut, that's all we need
We make our nets from the fibers
The water is sweet inside.


See, it's related to water!!

Coconut just reminds me of Castaway lol

 

[networkpro]

As I've said, if they created a small nature-focused something facing the center to complete the circle, that would be fine. A cool living sculpture, a sustainable focused cafe, anything. It's the destruction of the layout that's one major problem for me.

Humans are a renewable resource chocked full of protein.

 

[J4546]

Less talk and more pics plz

 

[James Alucobond]

But then those are sitting in the walkways. One of the things people keep claiming is that this project opens things up.

I know some folks brought that up a long time ago when they still thought the footprint of Project Tomorrow would be reduced and Journey of Water might have more pathways, but is that even a talking point now? At this point, we know everyone’s getting sent through the same pathways as before, with maybe two extra western bypassed at most, all of which dump you into the hub anyway to be squeezed past Spaceship Earth.

 

[SilentWindODoom]

The neighborhoods don’t follow how Future World would have been subdivided. World Nature does not encompass the old Future World West.

While there is no arguing what you’ve said, the Journey of Water attraction should be part of World Nature shouldn’t it? It appears as if the building that was formally there is part of World Celebration. Maybe the entrance will be part of World Nature and that’s what counts.

The CommuniCore building was never part of World Celebration because it was torn down before the neighborhoods were established. The neighborhoods do not respond to the edge condition created by the monorail track, it does not follow the spatial organization of Future World.

The entrance to Journey of Water will face The Seas pavilion but be on the other side of the monorail. It will be fully within the spatial center of the park but completely turns its back on that space. A whole quadrant of the center will be walled off with landscape.

Look, after a lot of very thorough discussion with upper management and consultants, we've decided Living Seas, Imagination, and the Play Pavilion belong in Fun Happy Land while the Land, Test Track, and Guardians are all part of Happy Fun Land. When the Play Pavilion opens, it and Moana will form a new section known as the Smile Corridor. Connections Cafe will also be part of this area, but only on Tuesdays and every other Saturday - otherwise it will be a component of Fun Happy Land. These new lands are clearly thematically, aesthetically, and geographically consistent and embody EPCOT's original purpose as understood by Walt himself. At some point, we may even color coordinate the trash cans to further unify the design concept.

So, looking at the design aspects from the start of the park, or at least as far as I can remember over the latter half of its existence, this is the subdivision of East, West, and Communicore.

And now, with Journey of Water being put in (with the entrance on the side of the Seas, any descriptions I can find of the three neighborhoods is... this.

The new version of the event area may spill over into the area between it and the pathway to Imagination, but minor differences like that don't really matter. The monorail was never the dividing line because the water and natural vs. geometric planters start far before that, a distinguishing difference between the two sides of the front half of the park. One you were out of that little tunnel between the central buildings, you were in the East or the West side of Future World as far as all spatial reasoning or design (theming, you could call it) demonstrates.

You can say the names are silly buzzwords, but the neighborhoods themselves as geographic locations have always been a thing, just not labeled anywhere but the signs telling you where the pavilions are. Calling them anything else is just winging for the sake of wingeing.

As for the inner section of JoW, it looks like they're replacing the empty building with trees? I would not be surprised if they used the space for small carts and booths. Downgrade from the 80's, but lateral move currently?

 

[DisneyDodo]

So, looking at the design aspects from the start of the park, or at least as far as I can remember over the latter half of its existence, this is the subdivision of East, West, and Communicore.

And now, with Journey of Water being put in (with the entrance on the side of the Seas, any descriptions I can find of the three neighborhoods is... this.

The new version of the event area may spill over into the area between it and the pathway to Imagination, but minor differences like that don't really matter. The monorail was never the dividing line because the water and natural vs. geometric planters start far before that, a distinguishing difference between the two sides of the front half of the park. One you were out of that little tunnel between the central buildings, you were in the East or the West side of Future World as far as all spatial reasoning or design (theming, you could call it) demonstrates.

You can say the names are silly buzzwords, but the neighborhoods themselves as geographic locations have always been a thing, just not labeled anywhere but the signs telling you where the pavilions are. Calling them anything else is just winging for the sake of wingeing.

As for the inner section of JoW, it looks like they're replacing the empty building with trees? I would not be surprised if they used the space for small carts and booths. Downgrade from the 80's, but lateral move currently?

Imagination is part of World Celebration, not World Nature, so that’s another deviation from the original boundaries.

 

[SilentWindODoom]

Imagination is part of World Celebration, not World Nature, so that’s another deviation from the original boundaries.

The park maps! Every single source and article about the subject either didn't include Imagination or put it in World Nature. It seems everyone indeed has forgotten about it.

So, with the concert space flowing through to Imagination in the background and a description of WC focusing on storytelling, they're looking to create a thematic throughline there. Hopefully with a redo that includes Figment as some manner of muse?
A wedge of the wheel moves, but the neighborhoods are still mostly the same, and with the rebuild of the remaining Communicore/Innoventions/Coke building may make the geography separate more. Hmm... I'm intrigued.

 

[lazyboy97o]

So, looking at the design aspects from the start of the park, or at least as far as I can remember over the latter half of its existence, this is the subdivision of East, West, and Communicore.

And now, with Journey of Water being put in (with the entrance on the side of the Seas, any descriptions I can find of the three neighborhoods is... this.

The new version of the event area may spill over into the area between it and the pathway to Imagination, but minor differences like that don't really matter. The monorail was never the dividing line because the water and natural vs. geometric planters start far before that, a distinguishing difference between the two sides of the front half of the park. One you were out of that little tunnel between the central buildings, you were in the East or the West side of Future World as far as all spatial reasoning or design (theming, you could call it) demonstrates.

You can say the names are silly buzzwords, but the neighborhoods themselves as geographic locations have always been a thing, just not labeled anywhere but the signs telling you where the pavilions are. Calling them anything else is just winging for the sake of wingeing.

As for the inner section of JoW, it looks like they're replacing the empty building with trees? I would not be surprised if they used the space for small carts and booths. Downgrade from the 80's, but lateral move currently?

Your plan is not correct. You have demonstrated clearly how people respond to spatial organization and how the neighborhoods do not align to how people experience the space.

 

[yensidtlaw1969]

The park maps! Every single source and article about the subject either didn't include Imagination or put it in World Nature. It seems everyone indeed has forgotten about it.

So, with the concert space flowing through to Imagination in the background and a description of WC focusing on storytelling, they're looking to create a thematic throughline there. Hopefully with a redo that includes Figment as some manner of muse?
A wedge of the wheel moves, but the neighborhoods are still mostly the same, and with the rebuild of the remaining Communicore/Innoventions/Coke building may make the geography separate more. Hmm... I'm intrigued.

You're really reaching to make this seem like an intelligent design choice and not the half-baked hodge podge it actually is.

 

[SilentWindODoom]

Your plan is not correct. You have demonstrated clearly how people respond to spatial organization and how the neighborhoods do not align to how people experience the space.

Give me the truth. Which is not an opening for a diatribe on what the company cares about, but say what the lines are.

You're really reaching to make this seem like an intelligent design choice and not the half-baked hodge podge it actually is.

Well, I got the reply mentioning my mistake right before bed and didn't want to leave it out there all night, so I spent a long time trying to find the plan (which I eventually remembered I linked in a previous message) and then got out something half in a fog. The Imagination shift is surprising, and when I remembered these plans, I realized the open concert space seems to have Imagination as a backdrop. Makes me wonder if they're planning on doing any projections. Imagination currently doesn't fit the descriptions I read of World Celebration, so I mused if there may be something coming that would explain the change.

As for the evolution of the three neighborhoods, I'll see what Lazyboy says about what the lines really are.

 

[James Alucobond]

Give me the truth. Which is not an opening for a diatribe on what the company cares about, but say what the lines are.

World Celebration consists of:

• the entrance plaza
• Spaceship Earth
• Dreamers Point and the gardens
• Connections Cafe and Eatery
• Creations Shop
• CommuniCore Hall
• Imagination
• Odyssey

World Nature consists of:

• The Land
• The Seas (+Coral Reef Restaurant)
• Journey of Water

World Discovery consists of:

• Wonders of Xandar
• PLAY!
• Mission: SPACE (+Space 220)
• Test Track

 

[Epcot82Guy]

That list is correct. If you visualize that, it proves my theory this was designed by a highly partisan voting district committee.

#worldgerrymander

 

[lazyboy97o]

Give me the truth. Which is not an opening for a diatribe on what the company cares about, but say what the lines are.

Well, I got the reply mentioning my mistake right before bed and didn't want to leave it out there all night, so I spent a long time trying to find the plan (which I eventually remembered I linked in a previous message) and then got out something half in a fog. The Imagination shift is surprising, and when I remembered these plans, I realized the open concert space seems to have Imagination as a backdrop. Makes me wonder if they're planning on doing any projections. Imagination currently doesn't fit the descriptions I read of World Celebration, so I mused if there may be something coming that would explain the change.

As for the evolution of the three neighborhoods, I'll see what Lazyboy says about what the lines really are.

Disney has announced the constituent parts of each neighborhood, though their graphics are inconsistent.

That new site plan of the center of World Celebration have nothing do with including Imagination in the neighborhood. The neighborhood boundaries were decided back when the Festival Center was still in the plan. CommuniCore Plaza is not aligned to the Imagination Pavilion, just the theater. Most people will also be viewing the stage with their back to Imagination because that is where space actually exists for them. Your entire rationale for why it makes sense is that they might do something in the future not in the current scope of work.

 

[MisterPenguin]

World Celebration consists of:

• the entrance plaza
• Spaceship Earth
• Dreamer's Point and the gardens
• Connections Cafe and Eatery
• Creations Shop
• CommuniCore Hall
• Imagination
• Odyssey

World Nature consists of:

• The Land
• The Seas (+Coral Reef Restaurant)
• Journey of Water

World Discovery consists of:

• Wonders of Xandar
• PLAY!
• Mission: SPACE (+Space 220)
• Test Track

As clearly delineated on WDW's map: