Journey of Water featuring Moana coming to Epcot

[J4546]

The whole spine project has been a massive waste of time and money.

The end result will not be substantially different than what was there before.

But the combination of wanting something new and for the walls to come down ASAP has built up this image in people's mind of something truly worth the wait.

It can't just be filler after so many years of off and on construction and promotion. So it will be amazing, even if it's not.

I disagree a bit, the spine project will significantly improve the front half of the park. It looks like wit will be full of trees and landscaping, a big difference from.how it felt before imo. But we will all just have to wait and see

 

[dreday3]

But googling it and watching a video or reading about it is very different than actually experiencing it -- it's the same reason kids still love going to science museums (not to mention zoos and aquariums) even though they can look at pictures or watch videos of the things in them whenever they want.

I don't think EPCOT was ever really about showing a specific version of the future anyways, though. It was more about general inspiration and optimism about it.

You're not understanding what I'm saying and that's okay.

 

[UNCgolf]

The original omnimover rides would not be useful today.

At the top of that list is horizons. It was killed early, so people let nostalgia take over instead of actually remember how 70’s it was…world a motion is there too.

Well yeah, of course the original version of Horizons wouldn't work today -- it wouldn't have even still worked 15 years ago. An overhauled and updated version of a similar concept would work, though.

And World of Motion would work just as it was, except maybe the final scene. It was a bit like Spaceship Earth in that it was essentially timeless, although not quite as good as SSE.

 

[UNCgolf]

You're not understanding what I'm saying and that's okay.

I understand what you're saying -- I just think it's wrong, as I pointed out with science museums etc.; kids absolutely still want to experience things that haven't yet come.

But we don't have to agree.

 

[lazyboy97o]

So yeah, that's my point. They don't want Horizons, they want to ride Iron Man.

That makes no sense. The same reason people don’t want something is the exact same reason they do want something else? It’s like saying I don’t want a Coke on vacation because I can have it at home but I do want a Pepsi because I can have it at home.

 

[Disstevefan1]

Well yeah, of course the original version of Horizons wouldn't work today. An overhauled and updated version of a similar concept would work, though.

And World of Motion would work just as it was, except maybe the final scene. It was a bit like Spaceship Earth in that it was essentially timeless, although not quite as good as SSE.

Now you did it... I miss Horizons

 

[dreday3]

That makes no sense. The same reason people don’t want something is the exact same reason they do want something else? It’s like saying I don’t want a Coke on vacation because I can have it at home but I do want a Pepsi because I can have it at home.

Ok.

 

[lazyboy97o]

I disagree a bit, the spine project will significantly improve the front half of the park. It looks like wit will be full of trees and landscaping, a big difference from.how it felt before imo. But we will all just have to wait and see

They could have added trees and been done years ago.

 

[Animaniac93-98]

I disagree a bit, the spine project will significantly improve the front half of the park. It looks like wit will be full of trees and landscaping, a big difference from.how it felt before imo. But we will all just have to wait and see

Tearing down half of Innoventions and removing the Fountain of Nations just to add trees and landscaping (that used to be more prominent back when it was Communicore) is a massive waste of resources and shows how misguided the whole endeavor was.

The main reason for this project was the bar on legs...which got cancelled. Now they're working backwards to justify starting at all.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Well yeah, of course the original version of Horizons wouldn't work today -- it wouldn't have even still worked 15 years ago. An overhauled and updated version of a similar concept would work, though.

And World of Motion would work just as it was, except maybe the final scene. It was a bit like Spaceship Earth in that it was essentially timeless, although not quite as good as SSE.

Fair…

Horizons ride system was a piece of junk too…remember the awful noises that thing made?
101 city.

Just like they AA set pieces. They’d dump those in 10 seconds if they could get away with it

 

[aladdin2007]

Tearing down half of Innoventions and removing the Fountain of Nations just to add trees and landscaping (that used to be more prominent back when it was Communicore) is a massive waste of resources and shows how misguided the whole endeavor was.

The main reason for this project was the bar on legs...which got cancelled. Now they're working backwards to justify starting at all.

Agree. I still say this (moana water) would have been great at Animal Kingdom, but plopped into the middle of Epcot just shows how misguided and lost imagineering and corporate is. They also keep talking like its some big ride or great thing. I dont get what they are smoking anymore.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Besides the Toadstool Festival building, a valid reason for a re-imagining of the Hub, IMO, would be because the Hub, as it existed until just recently was not.... good.

It was a cemented-over and overly-busy mess. The only reason why I would ever had wanted to stay in the Hub was for the FoN... which was in a perpetual state of disrepair, concreted up, and staged over. Not to mention its placement away from the actual center (and Fountainview's intrusion into the hub) created choke points. And the Southern side of the fountain was a giant unshaded expanse of concretes. There was no place to stop and rest and enjoy the fountain shows. And the shows that it put on were unimpressive.

It was just really bad design.

 

[Thelazer]

Fair…

Horizons ride system was a piece of junk too…remember the awful noises that thing made?
101 city.

Just like they AA set pieces. They’d dump those in 10 seconds if they could get away with it

I don't remember that at all, perhaps your thinking of SSE's Ride System?

Also - as far as standing on there own today, if you rebuild with updated tech and such, but kept the same concept it would indeed stand on it's own. Same goes for JYII.

 

[dreday3]

I understand what you're saying -- I just think it's wrong, as I pointed out with science museums etc.; kids absolutely still want to experience things that haven't yet come.

But we don't have to agree.

I'm struggling to understand what ride they can do today about the future that won't be dated within a year. That was my whole point, the future didn't come as quickly in 1983 as it does today. And Horizons was about the future. Sure the sentiment was a great big beautiful tomorrow, but it was about the future.

Perhaps they could do a ride based on space and I don't mean a thrill ride. Perhaps something like what it would be like to visit other planets, other atmospheres. Like the Cosmos tv show?

But I still don't think kids today are going to ask their parents to go to Epcot so they can ride the latest ominmover ride if it's not either tied to an already popular IP (which I thought everyone hated?) or if it's not a thrill ride.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Agree. I still say this (moana water) would have been great at Animal Kingdom, but plopped into the middle of Epcot just shows how misguided and lost imagineering and corporate is. They also keep talking like its some big ride or great thing. I dont get what they are smoking anymore.

They’re doing that because they don’t want to build anything…
Imagineering will lie to themselves because they are disappointed/delusional

But the die is cast. Unless Bob has to do something to save his butt…they’re gonna sit and try to bleed prices. That’s EXACLTY what Iger did and Slaphead is gonna try to run it back. Spray tan Bob only built after he had Wall Street lauding what he charged and he wanted a “legacy”

 

[HauntedMansionFLA]

How big will this attraction be compared to something like Gorilla Falls over at DAJ?

 

[doctornick]

From the beginning it’s been over hyped by fans expecting so much more. It’s filler dropped into because they tore down CommuniCore for the Starchitect Table that now isn’t happening.

Who the hell is “over hyping” this? Could you quote them?

I feel like everyone who has promoted this as a solid addition (like myself) has been pretty realistic that it’s a walkthrough path talking about the water cycle with Moana theming. It looks like we’re getting what most of us expected. The big difference is that initial concept art looked more like a path or paths from the hub to the Seas and now it’s an excluded path starting and stopping next to the Seas.

If people don’t like this or feel it’s in the wrong place or whatever, that’s fine. But I think those of us looking forward to it have no particular misconception of greatness but just feels it’s a solid complimentary addition to the park.

All the parks would benefit from more do at your own pace stuff.

 

[Animaniac93-98]

They also keep talking like its some big ride or great thing.

They've been hyping the idea of a newer, better EPCOT for many years now.

But the unfortunate reality is that the most substantial additions have already opened, while other projects have been delayed or cancelled outright.

So they're stuck hyping Water and Play until something else comes along.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I don't remember that at all, perhaps your thinking of SSE's Ride System?

Also - as far as standing on there own today, if you rebuild with updated tech and such, but kept the same concept it would indeed stand on it's own. Same goes for JYII.

No…horizons was a bad building and a bad track. It was entirely accidental they shut that down when they did.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

They've been hyping the idea of a newer, better EPCOT for many years now.

But the unfortunate reality is that the most substantial additions have already opened, while other projects have been delayed or cancelled outright.

So they're stuck hyping Water and Play until something else comes along.

Because Iger started to make a hype machine out of standard, necessary theme park investments.

It never should be that way…cost to make gate is standard at every park since Luna. Shouldn’t be a “look at me” thing all the time.

Probably the problem is when they keep saying “amazing” and not much that has rolled out has come close. Just say “solid” and stop selling your own oil.