Jim Hill- latest about HP and Disney's possible response

netenyahoo

New Member
I wouldn't want a rethemeing of all of Adventureland, but most of it or a good portion of it would be fine with me. I thnk Jungle Cruise and the treehouse should stay. They could put some priate stuff on both of those attractions as there were pirates in Swiss Family Robinson and aren't they redoing the movie? Alddin can go and Tiki Room can either go or be saved from Iago. They can add a new pirate themed ride behind POTC and fit in a boat somewhere. Add the pirate restaurant and I think that is good. Don't change the name to Pirateland though, keep it Adventureland. With the new Indiana Jones movie coming out there is a possibility to use Indy more either in Adventureland or at the Studios.

I think if Disney really wants a response to Harry Potter it should be Star Wars. Star Wars really needs it's own park or at least it's own land. There is so much potential with Star Wars and I find it more exciting than Potter. I think it has more staying power than Potter too.
 

Champion

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I think if Disney really wants a response to Harry Potter it should be Star Wars. Star Wars really needs it's own park or at least it's own land. There is so much potential with Star Wars and I find it more exciting than Potter. I think it has more staying power than Potter too.

You have to remember that Disney does not directly own Star Wars, and George Lucas may be the most person in the entire world about protecting his properties.

I don't want to see a Star Wars land. One attraction is enough. Whenever a new Star Tours is created, I'm reasonably sure it will be a completely new attraction and not using the same simulators as the current attraction. I'd rather see one great new attraction than a bunch of small mediocre ones. And thats what Lucas would want as well, one E-Ticket with a huge budget that he can have complete control over.

SW has proven its staying power, considering the amount of people that show up for SWW and Star Wars conventions 30 years after the release of the first movie. I just don't know if Harry Potter can do the same.
 

WDWFigment

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Here are my reasons for liking Disneyland's better:
1. The firefly-filled bayou setting you travel through at the beginning. It's deceptively peaceful, and it gets you in the mood for what you're about to experience. I'm also a big fan of the audio-animatronic man sitting on his porch listening to "Oh Susannah." He reminds me of my grandfather, who spent most of his time doing much the same thing...
2. The Blue Bayou Restaurant - It's on the right side as you float through the bayou, and it, too, fits in perfectly. And the food is pretty great, too (Monte Christo Sandwiches are heavenly, as are the virgin Mint Juleps).
3. The Skull and Crossbones - Disneyland still has it, fortunately. And it's the original voice of X. Atencio, the master pirate who wrote "Yo Ho." I'm not sure who did the voice for Disney World's, but I never much cared for it. I also prefer its location over the drop instead of to the left side. To me, it feels like its a part of the story when it's directly in front of you.
4. Two drops - Not that I care much about cheap thrills in attractions, but in this case, it kind of helps. The first drop tells you you're leaving the present, and deposits you in a spooky, dark cave. The second drop puts you even deeper, but now you can see around you, and while you're still in a cave, now you begin to see the fates of the pirates around you.
5. More "skeleton rooms" - The fate of a number of the greedy pirates is shown, from the ones on the beach who killed each other, to the skeleton who is eternally trying to sail the ship to shore in a storm, to the two pirates who will forever be swilling drinks in the bar, to the pirate captain who died in his opulent quarters, to the skeleton sitting atop the cursed treasure. It's more lavish and more detailed than WDW's in so many more ways.
6. The conclusion - At Disneyland, once you've seen the pirates in jail, the next scene is a room that is still burning, with beams, tables, and other items appearing to be ready to fall down upon you from above. This leads to a finale of pirates shooting it out in another burning room filled with explosives. I prefer this ending to Disney World's as the two pirates in its finale are just shooting off into space. It felt completely random to me, though the vault with gold was a nice touch.
7. The exit - At Disney World, the final scene is IMMEDIATELY followed by the get out room. Then you have to take an escalator to ground level. I dislike this for two reasons: 1) it's too abrupt and rushed an ending and 2) the escalator pretty much throws you back into the modern world. At Disneyland, immediately following the shootout, you head back "up the waterfall" and slowly are reacclimated to the real world once you reach the top.
Now, I realize the drops and climbs were originally done to avoid the railroad, but they made it all work so well that riding Disney World's version has always felt like a Reader's Digest Condensed version of the attraction. I will give it one plus, though - the queue through the fort is quite nice. Disneyland's queue isn't nearly as interesting.
As for how to make it more like Disneyland's, you're right, they would most likely have to raise the entire attraction one floor, which I know would never happen. Actually, they could get away with just the one drop, but extend the beginning and the skeleton rooms, change the ending, and add in the final climb back to the ground level. Again, it will most likely never happen, but I can dream.
Sorry to go on so long, but I wanted to give you a semi-complete answer to your question.

This is a great and very informative post. While I've never been to DL, it's subtle differences that make me want to check it out (although I think I'd have to take a trip to WDW one week, then a trip to DL the next, otherwise I might not notice the differences). Thanks for the information!
 

culturenthrills

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Original Poster
Does this mean that there will be some theming to the actual Dueling Dragons ride?

I don't know if they will add theming to the ride. At least the ride will now be completely surrounded by a themed area instead of that parking lot in the back. From what I heard the queue will be completely rethemed. Which will be interesting since it is one of the most heavily themed queues around.
 

lewisc

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Suppose the train is part of the attraction? The queue is separate from the main attraction. The train either becomes the ride vehicle or you have to transfer. As long as the capacity of the train matches the ride vehicle it could be seamless. Take a train to the "station" walk through a wall and then board a ride vehicle.


not sure what I think about having to take a train to get to a single attraction. Seems bizarre to me. I've never liked the fact that you had to take a train to Conservation Station.
 

culturenthrills

Well-Known Member
Original Poster
After re-thinking my earlier posts, I agree that a Pirate themed land in place of AL would potentially be too narrow theme-wise, too restrictive to new attractions, and probably an all around bad idea. However, I definitely feel that AL needs to be re-vamped for all of the reasons I mentioned earlier. It's the most outdated looking land and could benefit greatly from adding an E-ticket attraction. My earlier approval of the pirate-land idea wasn't so much an embrace of that particular idea, but more of an agreement that drastic changes should be made in AL.

It will be interesting to see if Disney starts reconsidering some of the possible Pirates projects since the 3rd movie is underperforming at the box office. If they are going to put in more pirates stuff at MK they should build it around the POTC plaza, retheming Adventureland would be stupid and short sighted. I think they could do other things like they could easily update Fantasmic by ditching the lame Pocahontas segment and replacing it with Pirates. You have the Pirates on the island looking for buried treasure and retheme the canoes to long boats with british soldiers or something like that as long as it had Capt. Jack in it and they could throw in Will and Elizabeth easily. Just an idea.
 

WhyteAL

Active Member
I went to IOA once and it was during a HHN, I am a huge marvel comic fan and I was not that impressed with IOA especially the toon island and dr. seuss land. They were not enough for me to come back again. I always mean to but when I think about it I'd rather go spend my money at Disney (yes this could be used as a testimoniol :lol: ). By adding HP disney dosn't have to do a thing because they are what they are. I might not even go to IOA even if HP is there and I'm sure I'm not the only one that feels this way. And then lets pretend that Disney feels the need to become more competitive because of this, they have Narnia, StarWars, and POTC to expand upon. Ontop of that every other childrens classic availble today. I don't see a need for Disney to have to compete against US, on the other hand US/IOA has to keep up with the joneses in regards to that matter, if not they will end up going out of buisness. Now about rethemeing AL please leave it alone...I love pirates...I think tiki needs an upgrade (show and animatronic upgrade)...and the swiss house and jungle cruise also, but this land dose not need a comlete pirates overlay. That is just sensless. I Also am not a fan of aladins magic carpets, but the kids love it. What I would recomend is to spurce it up a little. AL looks like a closet cluster of misc. "native" attractions. Like to much jumbled themeing.

Just my pennies...
 

1disneydood

Active Member
I do have the desire to do both Universal parks again, as my last trip was cut short and I was actually having fun. But, having said that, HP wouldn't be a major draw to the park (for me). If I wasn't already planning a return, HP WOULDN'T be a deciding factor for me. :shrug:
 

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