The Pho
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If that were true, the cheapest parks would be the most popular. And yet the $50 Six Flags unrestricted annual pass does not give them more visitors than the most expensive park.
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It seems like more competition in the Orlando theme-park space is bad for the consumer.
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bUU
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By definition. However, value, itself, is objectively defined by the marketplace as a whole.
There is no price gouging going on. (Coincidentally by definition,) there cannot be price gouging for discretionary items.
You don't like how much things cost. You can just say that.
It's where they have an option to offer something for purchase or not, and you have an option to buy something or not.
Your comment is nonsense.
It shouldn't require a stint in business school for Hans to have learned about which he was mistaken, as you pointed out. What you outlined are things everyone should have learned in high school.
I have to stop you there. The airline industry is not a free market. Since theme parks are a free market, airlines are a bad example and a bad analog. Some of the criticisms others are throwing at Disney, above, actually can be applied fairly to the airlines. Airline travel is significantly less of a discretionary purchase and substantially more regulated. The same would apply to basic telecom. Let's be clear: There is competition. Those are just not substantially free markets.
That's critical - so many consumers are blinded by their own personal circumstances and by a baseless sense of entitlement - they think that because they cannot afford something or purchasing it stresses their budget too much that that must mean that someone else is doing something wrong. Nothing could be further from the truth.
Shouldigo12
Well-Known Member
Agreed. People can love both, but Universal is clearly going after the thrill seekers and older crowds while Disney is more for families or those wanting to indulge their inner kids. Or the wusses like me who freak out on thrill rides.
If you look at the pricing between Universal and Disney, you notice Disney is most expensive. Why? I think it is really because while the two are both theme parks, the reality is also that Universal is more of a domestic destination while Disney is more of a world draw... that means while Universal is constrained by what the people the US are willing to pay, Disney has the advantage of being able to draw from the entire world which means in the whole of the world you will have more people able to pay a higher price than you will in the US so Disney is able to price higher knowing that while they will get a smaller piece of the domestic visitors they will make up for it with the international visitors they get. As for what happens if one were to vanish, well the other would just raise their prices even higher.
If you want something to bring the prices down it would need to be a global recession or something that impacted travel.
If you want something to bring the prices down it would need to be a global recession or something that impacted travel.
networkpro
Well-Known Member
- In the Parks
- Yes
The only thing keeping Universal going is Comcast's monthly customers.
You’re comparing my apples to your oranges and then saying that I have “false narrative”. I’m not talking AP, I never once did. You obviously didn’t read what I wrote.
Because $4 for a bottle of water in 105 heat index weather isn’t price gouging.
And the $10 I had to pay for children’s acetaminophen to help my sick daughter wasn’t price gouging.
I understand what you’re saying, but defending Disney via technicalities doesn’t exactly progress the discussion.
No Name
Well-Known Member
Pandora wouldn’t have happened if not for
Universal. That’s a pretty direct example for you. Investment’s seen a particular uptick since Universal started pulling in numbers and that’s not exactly a coincidence. I don’t know what you aren’t understanding.
Any idea what MM+ cost? Just because you don't agree with it..........
Look, I'll be the first to knock Disney about things that - well let's just say - weren't thought through well enough. But to say there has been no significant investment is ludicrous. We can debate the merits of whether or not the investment had the desired impact - both for the company, and the guest. That seems a more plausible path.
Stripes
Premium Member
Uhh...no. Nopers. Nopity. Nope.
(1) New Fantasyland
(2) Cars Land
(3) Big Grizzly Mountain Runaway Mine Cars
(4) Mystic Manor
(5) Test Track 2.0
(6) Ratatouille
(7) Pandora
(8) Shanghai Disneyland
(9) Ant-Man and the Wasp
(10) Disney Dream
(11) Disney Fantasy
(12) Frozen Ever After
(13) GOTG: MB
(14) Iron Man Experience
(15) World of Color
(16) Galaxy's Edge (Disneyland)
(17) Galaxy's Edge (DHS)
(18) Toy Story Land
Need I go on?
(WDW in bold.)
Uhh...no. Nopers. Nopity. Nope.
(1) New Fantasyland
(2) Cars Land
(3) Big Grizzly Mountain Runaway Mine Cars
(4) Mystic Manor
(5) Test Track 2.0
(6) Ratatouille
(7) Pandora
(8) Shanghai Disneyland
(9) Ant-Man and the Wasp
(10) Disney Dream
(11) Disney Fantasy
(12) Frozen Ever After
(13) GOTG: MB
(14) Iron Man Experience
(15) World of Color
(16) Galaxy's Edge (Disneyland)
(17) Galaxy's Edge (DHS)
(18) Toy Story Land
Need I go on?
(WDW in bold.)
You forgot Disney Springs.
Stripes
Premium Member
You're welcome to bring your own. Did you know? They also have these lovely drink refilling fountains now:
You paid $10 for Tylenol? You've got to be kidding me.
phillip9698
Well-Known Member
Seems to me that you compared the price of tickets for two Universal parks vs. the one park at Sea World. Hardly a fair comparison.
bUU
Well-Known Member
You should realize that we are still "in the 2010's". I suggest you go back and think about what you really meant to write, and then decide whether it is worth even posting.
bUU
Well-Known Member
Correct: It isn't.
Learn the definition of terms and more generally how to use words correctly.
Spewing sensationalistic nonsense just to make your personal opinion sound more important than it really is, as you are, "doesn’t exactly progress the discussion".
RustySpork
Oscar Mayer Memer
Value is subjective though, what's valuable to one may not be valuable to another. For example, I find Universal to have more value but that is because I personally enjoy those two parks more than I do WDW's four. I'm also not sure it's fair to compare a weekday only pass to Universal's lowest pass. The seasonal pass doesn't really compare to any of Disneys passes because it's missing basic things like parking.
HongKongFu
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Hank Hill
Well-Known Member
The structures of each pass does not really allow fair apples to apples comparisons. The first UOAP that includes parking is the preferred pass while all Disney AP's come with parking. That makes a difference for people not planning onto staying the night. Plus UO closes earlier than Disney a lot more days, for me, I can't go to UO after work often, but at Disney, there is always one park open until at least 9. And the per park price goes up adding the 3rd park at Universal, even though Volcano Bay is more a water park. No FP at UO is a big disadvantage.
I haven't had an AP for either for almost 2 years. We just couldn't afford it, and with life and kids activities, we were not going as much to make it worth while. Though we talked last night and will get Disney AP's next month. I am excited as I really do miss it. For us, the FP and hours was the difference, not the price. My son wanted Universal, but we talked and will maybe do it for a year after the Disney passes.