It seems like more competition in the Orlando theme-park space is bad for the consumer.

[NickMaio]

Don't get me wrong - - - I think the backdrops at SWGE were amazing. However, Savi ????? Who.....what cantina?????
I just felt lost - - - it did not really hit home for me as a Star Wars experience. At 14 acres - - - they could have broken into chunks and had multiple places from the SW universe. There are so many to choose from.

 

[Walt Disney1955]

Without doing research I quickly came up with:

Kong......some of it is stellar and some is just passable and some is laughably horrendous.

Wow, I love that ride. Thought it was very immersive. Love the scene at the end with the Kong animatronic staring at you.

 

[erasure fan1]

I know, I know its a future play - but with so many cool and heart warming IP's that Dis has in it's vault, I still think they chose poorly.

 

[Tom Morrow]

These are google Earth images what is the actual acreage?- -The numbers I posted were from a BBC article when Hogsmeade was being built and a published article from the Orlando Sentinel when Pandora was being built. - - - Your pics are meaningless to prove your point.

They're all from the same scale/height on Google Earth. How is that meaningless? The quoted acreage is meaningless because we don't know if they're counting show building space and backstage/infrastructure space.

Having things to do that are tied to the IP is EVERYTHING.......Why make a falcon ride at all then.
It ties YOU to the "so-called" immersive land you are visiting.
Creating new things that we the customer has never experienced or seen is asinine, it makes no sense if you are trying to really immerse people.

Seriously? Do I need to recite the massive list of original attractions, lands, shows, etc. that are beloved?

I just got back from my second visit to Batuu, with a huge Star Wars fan. It turns out much of the land is from existing material, it just isn't as obvious as Dervish & Bangles or Olivander's Wand Shop.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Seriously? Do I need to recite the massive list of original attractions, lands, shows, etc. that are beloved?

I just got back from my second visit to Batuu, with a huge Star Wars fan. It turns out much of the land is from existing material, it just isn't as obvious as Dervish & Bangles or Olivander's Wand Shop.

I agree with your first part...

But the “huge Star Wars fan” is wrong.

Star Wars is a movie franchise...which kinda makes movie tie ins integral...not obscure references to things a mass audience like a Disney park have no shot to recognize.

Again...the land is flawed, but acceptable...let’s not start to invent what isn’t there, please?

Bigger issues to look to now

 

[Tom Morrow]

I agree with your first part...

But the “huge Star Wars fan” is wrong.

Star Wars is a movie franchise...which kinda makes movie tie ins integral...not obscure references to things a mass audience like a Disney park have no shot to recognize.

Again...the land is flawed, but acceptable...let’s not start to invent what isn’t there, please?

Bigger issues to look to now

I don't agree. They gave us a new world to explore instead of a collection of things we're already familiar with. It's missing some things, but a bombardment of tie-ins is not one of them. Plus Rise of the Resistance will probably fill that void anyway.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I don't agree. They gave us a new world to explore instead of a collection of things we're already familiar with. It's missing some things, but a bombardment of tie-ins is not one of them. Plus Rise of the Resistance will probably fill that void anyway.

We disagree of course...and the “ROTR will save everything” is becoming very tired now. One ride...a dark ride with simulator segment. Hope it’s good. But that will just make it good.

And Disney needs 50,000,000 visitors to pump into those coffers and they want many more moving forward. No one wants a “new world to explore” that is unfamiliar to a tangible product at home. The last 3 lands prior to Star Wars at least left little doubt as to where the source material was coming from...

Star Wars “skirted” it because they continue to do a poor job of dancing a line between profiting off the old and generating anything new that will sell.

I suggest you read the Michael arndt Interview published by the screenwriters guild when TFA came out...it shows exactly where Disney is at with one of its signature properties and how it’s invaded everything they’ve tried. It’s a lack of understanding on an unbelievable level. A mind field of obtuse decisions.

 

[Tom Morrow]

I suggest you read the Michael arndt Interview published by the screenwriters guild when TFA came out...it shows exactly where Disney is at with one of its signature properties and how it’s invaded everything they’ve tried. It’s a lack of understanding on an unbelievable level. A mind field of obtuse decisions.

I'll pass. I'm sick to death of reading about how "DISNEY RUINED STAR WARS!!!11" from bitter nerds. The Disney Star Wars films are better, more competent, and more entertaining than the absolute cinematic vomit that the prequel trilogy was, and that's all I could have asked for for this franchise.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I'll pass. I'm sick to death of reading about how "DISNEY RUINED STAR WARS!!!11" from bitter nerds. The Disney Star Wars films are better, more competent, and more entertaining than the absolute cinematic vomit that the prequel trilogy was, and that's all I could have asked for for this franchise.

You’re entire characterization is wrong...because save for one terrible movie and a lack of response afterward...that is not my critique.

And nobody is advocating for prequels. They are awful and it’s been agreed by the majority of franchise fans for 20 years. Where did that one come from??

Let’s face it: you were going to write that no matter what you did or didn’t read. It’s under the shield and you’re dug in...I bet.

I’ll move on. It’s all tired and I look forward to another topic to bat around with more middle ground available.

You could have asked for character driven stories with the proper pathos...which is the entire draw of the franchise under the bluster.

You have MAYBE 1.5 to 2 portions of 4 movies that qualify.
Not a good position to be in on the historic bell curve...if you’re Disney

 

[Tom Morrow]

And nobody is advocating for prequels. They are awful and it’s been agreed by the majority of franchise fans for 20 years. Where did that one come from??

Part of the backlash to the Disney Star Wars films, The Last Jedi in particular, is significant portions of the Star Wars fanbase are now suddenly deciding that the prequels were actually good and preferable. It's a knee-jerk reaction from a bunch of toxic manchildren who weren't going to be satisfied no matter what Disney made. I'm glad we agree on the prequels.

Let’s face it: you were going to write that no matter what you did or didn’t read. It’s under the shield and you’re dug in...I bet.

I've read and watched many, many pieces dissecting the films, The Last Jedi in particular, both from standpoints that defend and criticize them. There's nothing left for me to read that I haven't already heard and I'm sick to death of it.

Star Wars fans when Disney announced they were making more Star Wars films: "All I want is something better and more fun than the prequels."
Disney: *gives us exactly that*
Star Wars fans: "What the hell Disney? These are not cinematic masterpieces! We demand perfection!!"

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I've read and watched many, many pieces dissecting the films, The Last Jedi in particular, both from standpoints that defend and criticize them. There's nothing left for me to read that I haven't already heard and I'm sick to death of it.

Star Wars fans when Disney announced they were making more Star Wars films: "All I want is something better and more fun than the prequels."
Disney: *gives us exactly that*
Star Wars fans: "What the hell Disney? These are not cinematic masterpieces! We demand perfection!!"

The article was about tbe corporate mandates for episode 7 and it paints such a picture in retrospect. This interview was done prior to the last Johnson.::but leads directly to it. If you’re sick to death of it...don’t discuss it. That includes defense for the sake of who owns it.

You describe Star Wars fans from a Disney fan perspective...but your recollection is wrong.

The desire was to “make Star Wars”...not polish up movies to come in above prequels. Star Wars fans want the emotional pull of the characters...that’s the root of the fandom:l. Do you pine over Rey and Kyle?

Probably would be first.

To be fair: Star Wars fans are a complete pain to deal with...they always have. I can see how it frustrates blood oath Disney fans (not discerning really at all)...

But Disney has no excuse for not knowing what they were getting...

 

[Tom Morrow]

The desire was to “make Star Wars”...not polish up movies to come in above prequels. Star Wars fans want the emotional pull of the characters...that’s the root of the fandom:l. Do you pine over Rey and Kyle?

I find Rey and Kylo to be more compelling and more interesting than any character from the prequels. Most of the characters from the prequels are non-characters and have no defining traits.

 

[Jon81uk]

We disagree of course...and the “ROTR will save everything” is becoming very tired now. One ride...a dark ride with simulator segment. Hope it’s good. But that will just make it good.

Imagine if Diagon Alley at Universal opened with only the Hogwarts Express and Gringotts was coming later. That is the situation we are in with Galaxy's Edge, the main draw of the land is yet to open.

 

[HongKongFu]

One ride...a dark ride with simulator segment.

You just ruined my morning, thanks!

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

You just ruined my morning, thanks!

I have nothing to do with the ride design or construction

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I find Rey and Kylo to be more compelling and more interesting than any character from the prequels. Most of the characters from the prequels are non-characters and have no defining traits.

No argument...to each their own.

But they’re still flat...and considering the combined “approach” with the old characters...ehhh...that’s about it.

Ok. No more Star Wars here.

 

[HongKongFu]

But they’re(Rey and Kylo) still flat......

Agreed, but did you REALLY have to use the word 'flat' for Rey?

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Agreed, but did you REALLY have to use the word 'flat' for Rey?

You win the Internet today...

How about “cardboard”?