Is your child scared of rides? Read this.

[Brioli]

The thing is that I think most here agree on is that forcing a child to do something that they do not want to do because they say they are scared is like punishing them.

I would feel the same way if someone forced me to go into a bird house where birds are flying all around me..it would be like living in hell for me.

You may think that these fears they have are not justified but in their minds it is something that is truly scary to them and in my opinion making them do something that scares them will cause more harm for them in the future and make them less trusting of me.

As for me being scared of birds..Why would I get mad at myself for being scared of birds?

I choose not to go around them and that is my choice because they SCARE me...just like horroe movies SCARE me...they truly SCARE me and so I choose not to watch them.

My life is not bad because I have these fears, I do not feel like I have an unfulfilled life because of these fears.

As for not giving advice on this board anymore, this is a DISCUSSION board and you posted what you felt was advice for us and others came back with their opinion on it...if you can not handle our opinions then maybe you should not post your advice..it works both ways..:shrug:

I got a little upset because it hurt my feelings that I was misunderstood. I can not seem to say that "EACH CHILD IS UNIQUE" enough it seems. You have to gauge what they will like an dislike in regards to rides.

I don't know about you guys, but when my kids were scared of something and I talked with them about how fake things were, and that it was all plastic and metal...and how it's for fun because it can't hurt us, etc...

They quit crying. I can honestly say I have never had to take either one of my children on a ride kicking and screaming. On the other thread, I thought I made it clear that consoling them first was important. I didn't mean literally drag them in kicking and screaming. I meant talking with them and trying to make them feel better and secure with reassurance. I would always use rides where I could hold my children on my lap for example so they would not feel so scared. I would never make my child ride alone or even beside me when they were afraid.

I suppose I should have written this thread with more detail, but I assumed that everyone would know what I meant.

 

[Brioli]

You can give all the advice you want, just dont expect people to take it, embrace it, love it, or not respond if they dont agree.

I personally have mixed feelings about this topic. Our little girl was never affraid of POTC, HM, etc. She has been going since she was two. She is now almost 11. Last year she became terrified of POTC and HM for some unknown reason. Did we drag her on kicking and screaming, no. Did we strongly encourage her to go on, absolutely. After sitting her down and telling her that in life, if you let things that scare you keep you from doing something, you might actually miss out on some really fun stuff. By the end of the trip, she was OK with both and proud that she had overcome her fear. She still brags that she is not affraid of them.

Thank you...

Each child is different....so is each situation for your child. You must consider that at all times.

 

[Brioli]

I take it the OP is serious about this, and this is not a joke.

The OP's technique may work, but it is completely inadvisable. For one, this is extremely rude to other park guests. A shrieking child will ruin the attraction for everyone else on it. Two, and most important since it trumps all else, this is a safety issue. A terrified child will not behave rationally and could do something to endanger themselves, other guests, or the CMs. Bad, bad idea.

As for forcing kids to eat food they don't want to eat, that is also a bad idea. Making new food available to kids is the way to go. Studies have shown that most people need to be exposed to a food 5-10 times before they're interested in trying it.

Save making kids do something for things that are actually important. Going on theme park rides is not one of them.

Your completely wrong about the food thing...sorry... I said in my post as well that I would only make them try it, not force them to consume an entire portion of it.

Please post your studies...or PM me them. I am curious to see where you got this information from.

 

[Brioli]

I believe this person worded this much better then I did, so here it is (this is what I was trying to say. Please take note of the words in bold)

All children have fears at some point in their life and it is usually considered to be a normal part of development. These fears are only abnormal if they are persistent or keep the child overly preoccupied with the subject that is feared, if the child can not be reassured or distracted away from the fear (becoming a phobia), or if it is an irrational fear. Whether or not a fear is irrational depends on a child's age and developmental level. For example, it is normal for a 2 year old to be afraid of sitting on the potty, but it would be irrational for an 8 year old to have the same fear.

Toddlers normally have simple fears of separation, noises, falling, animals and insects, using the potty, bathing and bedtime.

Fears among preschool age children include simple fears of animals and insects, monsters and ghosts, getting lost, divorce, loss of a parent and bedtime.

School age children normally have simple fears of separation, noises, falling, new situations (especially starting school) and bedtime in younger children, and social rejection, war, new situations, and burglars in older children.

Adolescents normally have simple fears of burglars, new situations (going to college, etc), war, divorce, and sexual relations.

In children of all ages, fears may also increase during times of stress (new baby, moving, divorce, etc). They may also develop a fear after a triggering event, such as falling in the water, touching something hot, or being chased by a dog.

Some children are more fearful of things, even common things, than others and this is usually a function of his type of temperament. Also, children who have parents that are very anxious or fearful, or who tend to overreact to things, often have children who have the same reactions in similar situations.

Some tips on dealing with your child's fears include:

Respect your child's feelings and fears. It is not helpful to use put downs, such as 'your being a baby for being afraid of that,' or to try and ignore the things that he is afraid of.

Ask him why he is afraid and then talk about it. This can be especially helpful if there was a triggering event.

Don't be overprotective and let him avoid all of the things that he is afraid of

Don't overreact, so that your extra attention reinforces your child's reactions.
Give your child support as he learns to master his fears. For example, if your child is afraid of starting a new school, you should be empathetic by saying things like 'I know you are scared of starting a new school and you are probably worried about making new friends, but I think you will feel much better once you get started' and talk to him about the things that he is afraid of.

Remind him that he has always made friends before and provide encouragement once he starts school. It may also be helpful to model or role play how to go up to and introduce himself to new people.

Remind him of other things or times in the past that he was afraid of, and for which he is no longer has fears.

Again, reassure and comfort your child as you help him to face his fears. In the long run, it is also not helpful to teach your child that it is alright to avoid everything that he is afraid of.

If a fear seems like it is turning into a phobia, with your child not responding to repeated reassurances or not being able to be distracted away from the fear, especially if the fears are interrupting his development or daily activities, then you should seek professional treatments from a child psychologist.



There...

 

[brent2124]

I truly don't appreciate this response. I never once implied that you should EVER under ANY CIRCUMSTANCES bully any child into anything. It is a systematic approach always done with love and reassurance. My children are fantastic and very well rounded thank you.

If my children were traumatized by this I would know it by now. If anything, they are living life to it's fullest and very happy. To me it sounds like many of you are spoiling your children, which is one of the biggest problems with Americans. You act like I said you should force your kids to go into a WAR zone or something. Yea...like take your kids to Iraq...

Geez....It about irrational fears...Do you want your children to grow up afraid?

And deep inside...those of you who are afraid of things that others aren't.....Do you really enjoy being that way? Are you saying that you don't get mad at yourself for being afraid?

Whether you realize it or not, it affects your self confidence!

OH and FYI....What I said above has nothing to do with Corporal punishment, and I NEVER ONCE stated anything that had to do with corporal punishment.

NOTE TO SELF: "Do not give any advice on this message board"

Monty is from Canada if you read his info.

 

[Brioli]

The thing is that I think most here agree on is that forcing a children to do something that they do not want to do because they say they are scared is like punishing them.

So, you wouldn't force your child to go to school if she was scared? Even if that is what was best for them, you wouldn't force them?

If that is true, then your children are going to be very upset with you when they grow up.

 

[Nemo14]

My 19 year old is still deathly scared of ToT, and that's perfectly fine with me. He has never had self-esteem issues about that, and has always known that we would never, ever force him to ride it.

and as for this...

and...if you have one of those children who literally has a screaming/crying meltdown, it will be very difficult for you, but you must make them. Once they get through it, and realize, "Hey mom or dad was right, I'm just fine and that wasn't so bad". Their trust in you and what you say will grow, and they won't be scared anymore. If you play into the meltdown, and say, "Ok honey, you don't have to go" you are reassuring your children they have a reason to be afraid and that is just not true.

It will be very difficult the first few times, but it should only take a couple of times and the meltdowns will stop. See your child will then "believe" you when you say, "There is nothing to be afraid of. These things can't and won't hurt you, etc...".

on behalf of the millions of people whose ride experience has been altered by the screams of children whose parents followed this advise, I'd say to say a hearty "thanks a bunch".....

 

[Monty]

While I realise to have said you probably didn't say it correctly, this line in your original post is what I reacted to:

and...if you have one of those children who literally has a screaming/crying meltdown, it will be very difficult for you, but you must make them. Once they get through it, and realize, "Hey mom or dad was right, I'm just fine and that wasn't so bad". Their trust in you and what you say will grow, and they won't be scared anymore. If you play into the meltdown, and say, "Ok honey, you don't have to go" you are reassuring your children they have a reason to be afraid and that is just not true.

And now you're saying:

They quit crying. I can honestly say I have never had to take either one of my children on a ride kicking and screaming. On the other thread, I thought I made it clear that consoling them first was important. I didn't mean literally drag them in kicking and screaming. I meant talking with them and trying to make them feel better and secure with reassurance. I would always use rides where I could hold my children on my lap for example so they would not feel so scared. I would never make my child ride alone or even beside me when they were afraid.

I suppose I should have written this thread with more detail, but I assumed that everyone would know what I meant.

I'm sorry if you've been upset by the responses you've received, but that first quote is very definitely not the same kind of information as you're relaying in the second. My reference to corporal or psychological punishment was in the sense of corporal as relates to the body. If you physically force your child onto a ride that they don't want to ride and they consider it punishment, then it is by definition "corporal" because it is a physical activity as opposed to "psychological" if there is intellectual punishment. "Corporal punishment" does not only refer to beatings, though it has takien on that meaning in the vernacular.

My son has on occasion refused to ride Tower of Terror. When he was 5 he rode it and got off saying "That was fun, but I'm never riding it again". We didn't ride it that trip or the next. Our third trip, he decided to try again and enjoyed it, we rode a dozen or more times. The next trip he absolutely refused, despite my assurances that he had thoroughly enjoyed it our last trip. Now he's a teenager and has no issues with it at all.

In no instance would I ever consider physically "forcing" him to do something that legitimately or irrationally scared him [which is what that first quote suggests I "must" do]. I will however always do whatever I can to explain the situation to him and help him overcome his fear in order that he can enjoy whatever experiences await. He is now 13 years old and a very confident, self-assured and intelligent young man.

 

[Brioli]

While I realise to have said you probably didn't say it correctly, this line in your original post is what I reacted to:And now you're saying:



I'm sorry if you've been upset by the responses you've received, but that first quote is very definitely not the same kind of information as you're relaying in the second. My reference to corporal or psychological punishment was in the sense of corporal as relates to the body. If you physically force your child onto a ride that they don't want to ride and they consider it punishment, then it is by definition "corporal" because it is a physical activity as opposed to "psychological" if there is intellectual punishment. "Corporal punishment" does not only refer to beatings, though it has taking on that meaning in the vernacular.

My son has on occasion refused to ride Tower of Terror. When he was 5 he rode it and got off saying "That was fun, but I'm never riding it again". We didn't ride it that trip or the next. Our third trip, he decided to try again and enjoyed it, we rode a dozen or more times. The next trip he absolutely refused, despite my assurances that he had thoroughly enjoyed it our last trip. Now he's a teenager and has no issues with it at all.

In no instance would I ever consider physically "forcing" him to do something that legitimately or irrationally scared him [which is what that first quote suggests I "must" do]. I will however always do whatever I can to explain the situation to him and help him overcome his fear in order that he can enjoy whatever experiences await. He is now 13 years old and a very confident, self-assured and intelligent young man.

I stated that you must "Make them". Yes, but I suppose in my case that my children trust my words...and it all started with sleeping in your own bed. I have never had to make mine kicking and screaming...I tried to cover a broad area of subject matter on fear in general (I got side tracked in my thinking),and I can see how it could be misinterpreted in that way.

I never once used the words, "YOU MUST PHYSICALLY FORCE YOUR CHILDREN KICKING AND SCREAMING ONTO A RIDE".

I meant that you should do everything in your power to encourage them to face their fears for their benefit. On the other thread I told Maggie that she should in her case, because I guess I can tell she is probably a bit overprotective. When she told me about her own fear of birds it let me know that she is probably the type that will not help her child overcome her fears. Forgive me Maggie, I was only trying to help, and please notice that I only said, "probably" ...I do not know you, and I am not suggesting that I do.

I meant you need to help your children face their fears, not just allow them to always be scared .... and as soon as they pitch a fit, move on to the next ride without at least trying to talk with them first

Talking with my kids always worked, and they would ride the rides and be proud at the end.

I always just explained how everything worked within the ride, and provided reassurance that nothing was going to happen to them. I never belittled them or made them feel bad in any way.

It's different for every child.

 

[Brioli]

While I realise to have said you probably didn't say it correctly, this line in your original post is what I reacted to:And now you're saying:



I'm sorry if you've been upset by the responses you've received, but that first quote is very definitely not the same kind of information as you're relaying in the second. My reference to corporal or psychological punishment was in the sense of corporal as relates to the body. If you physically force your child onto a ride that they don't want to ride and they consider it punishment, then it is by definition "corporal" because it is a physical activity as opposed to "psychological" if there is intellectual punishment. "Corporal punishment" does not only refer to beatings, though it has takien on that meaning in the vernacular.

My son has on occasion refused to ride Tower of Terror. When he was 5 he rode it and got off saying "That was fun, but I'm never riding it again". We didn't ride it that trip or the next. Our third trip, he decided to try again and enjoyed it, we rode a dozen or more times. The next trip he absolutely refused, despite my assurances that he had thoroughly enjoyed it our last trip. Now he's a teenager and has no issues with it at all.

In no instance would I ever consider physically "forcing" him to do something that legitimately or irrationally scared him [which is what that first quote suggests I "must" do]. I will however always do whatever I can to explain the situation to him and help him overcome his fear in order that he can enjoy whatever experiences await. He is now 13 years old and a very confident, self-assured and intelligent young man.

I "will" say that I "have" takin my children on rides where they were scared and possibly even crying a little bit..not pitching an all out fit really "LOUD". Course if my kids were to do that, I would know that they were not playing...because they are not the fit throwing type. I never did this on rides I know my children would not like anyway. If I had a child who was afraid of heights...I would not force them to stand on a side of a mountain. Fear of heights can make you dizzy, and can be very dangerous in some places (usually not the case with rides).

You must use your own judgement. I know when my kids will like something and when they won't. I also know when my children are ready for something and when they are not.

I assumed wrongly that the people reading this thread what automatically apply the advice to their own children based on their age and the way their child is developmentally. I was hoping they would incorporate what I was saying into what they were doing...

I said, I wouldn't recommend starting this before the age of 2 1/2...Every child is different...and I said 2 1/2 because they can usually understand complete sentences at that age. Not because you "SHOULD" start doing this at age 2 1/2. You must do what is right for your child based on your gut on what they can handle.. You can start at 8, 9, 10-years-old for all I care...

Facing fears was the purpose of the thread...and not allowing your children to let fear rule them.


For example, We know that for most 1-6 year old it's not wise to do haunted houses...and they can't ride upside down roller coasters. My daughter is 6, and I have never made her go in a haunted house and she has never rode a true coaster (for one thing she isn't big enough, and she really hates that she's not). Do I think she will like them now? Yes I do, so we will be doing HM at Disney and SM in June. Would she have been ok with them before..probably...she really isn't scared of anything (but that is my child...your's could be different)...I still didn't take the chance because my gut said...not yet...

Once again...I should have been more clear on the thread....

My kids are, after all, "my" children...and I have always been a dare devil.


I just completely SUCK at writing...so I never should have written this. I should have copied and pasted it from someone else...LOL!

 

[Brioli]

My 19 year old is still deathly scared of ToT, and that's perfectly fine with me. He has never had self-esteem issues about that, and has always known that we would never, ever force him to ride it.

and as for this...

and...if you have one of those children who literally has a screaming/crying meltdown, it will be very difficult for you, but you must make them. Once they get through it, and realize, "Hey mom or dad was right, I'm just fine and that wasn't so bad". Their trust in you and what you say will grow, and they won't be scared anymore. If you play into the meltdown, and say, "Ok honey, you don't have to go" you are reassuring your children they have a reason to be afraid and that is just not true.

It will be very difficult the first few times, but it should only take a couple of times and the meltdowns will stop. See your child will then "believe" you when you say, "There is nothing to be afraid of. These things can't and won't hurt you, etc...".

on behalf of the millions of people whose ride experience has been altered by the screams of children whose parents followed this advise, I'd say to say a hearty "thanks a bunch".....

After a couple of times..kids do not do this....and truthfully...your 19-year-old is missing out on a very enjoyable experience.

You never know what being afraid has made him feel like inside. Especially when the majority of his peers are not.

It's subconscious thing that he may not even be aware of himself. He may find himself afraid of other things...and doesn't even realize it's contributed to not facing his fear of rides...

I mean what else is he afraid of in life?

 

[Monty]

So, you wouldn't force your child to go to school if she was scared? Even if that is what was best for them, you wouldn't force them?

If that is true, then your children are going to be very upset with you when they grow up.

Forcing your child to go to school is a legal obligation and has nothing to do with the discussion at hand.

I stated that you must "Make them". Yes, but I suppose in my case that my children trust my words...and it all started with sleeping in your own bed. I have never had to make mine kicking and screaming...I tried to cover a broad area of subject matter on fear in general (I got side tracked in my thinking),and I can see how it could be misinterpreted in that way.

I never once used the words, "YOU MUST PHYSICALLY FORCE YOUR CHILDREN KICKING AND SCREAMING ONTO A RIDE".

I meant that you should do everything in your power to encourage them to face their fears for their benefit. On the other thread I told Maggie that she should in her case, because I guess I can tell she is probably a bit overprotective. When she told me about her own fear of birds it let me know that she is probably the type that will not help her child overcome her fears. Forgive me Maggie, I was only trying to help, and please notice that I only said, "probably" ...I do not know you, and I am not suggesting that I do.

I meant you need to help your children face their fears, not just allow them to always be scared .... and as soon as they pitch a fit, move on to the next ride without at least trying to talk with them first

Talking with my kids always worked, and they would ride the rides and be proud at the end.

I always just explained how everything worked within the ride, and provided reassurance that nothing was going to happen to them. I never belittled them or made them feel bad in any way.

It's different for every child.

It not only could be interpreted that way, it was and not just by myself, but by everybody who responded.

Communicating ideas related to child-rearing techniques is a very dangerous area to go into. You have indicated that you are self-educated on the issue because it interests you and that a friend who works as a psychologist has told you you are correct. Well, what you may have effectively communicated with the psychologist verbally has not translated well to the written word and therein lies the problem. What your friend may have been able to glean from you in conversation, possibly by asking questions for clarification might indeed be a good approach to dealing with a child's fears and your friend may have validated that. What you reflected in text in this thread does not have the benefit of being read by someone who understands you and can ask the right questions to get to what you mean, as a result your intent was misunderstood and you got some rather harsh responses. Because you're suggesting what on the surface appears a lot like child abuse, you got harsh replies. The reality is there is no one answer that is the perfect solution to dealing with childhood fears, if your friend told you that your approach was the only acceptable way to do so, s/he should seriously consider another profession, but I suspect that wasn't that case. I suspect that you were told that your method [that doesn't involve physically forcing a screaming child into a traumatic situation] was a good one, not the only one. But I wasn't there, so I can only guess at that.

 

[Nemo14]

After a couple of times..kids do not do this....and truthfully...your 19-year-old is missing out on a very enjoyable experience.

You never know what being afraid has made him feel like inside. Especially when the majority of his peers are not.

It's subconscious thing that he may not even be aware of himself. He may find himself afraid of other things...and doesn't even realize it's contributed to not facing his fear of rides...

I mean what else is he afraid of in life?

I really take offense at this post. My son is a very well adjusted 19 year old, an Honors College sophomore at a prestigous college, quite independent for his age, who just happens to not enjoy the feeling of dropping on ToT. He has traveled extensively both in the USA and abroad, is very talented musically, has a vast network of friends, and has a kind and compassionate heart.
Has he missed out on an important life experience? I don't think so!

 

[maggiegrace1]

After a couple of times..kids do not do this....and truthfully...your 19-year-old is missing out on a very enjoyable experience.

You never know what being afraid has made him feel like inside. Especially when the majority of his peers are not.

It's subconscious thing that he may not even be aware of himself. He may find himself afraid of other things...and doesn't even realize it's contributed to not facing his fear of rides...

I mean what else is he afraid of in life?

It is posts like this that mke me think that you are analyzing people..

Maybe he does not want to conquer his fear..I have said this already I do not wnt to conquer my fear of birds..and thats that.

You sould like you are trying to be a therapist for everyone and their childs fears.

I will not even comment about the school fear because that has nothing to do with what we are talking about..She has to go to school..she does not have to like rides or like birds or like scary movies and I willnot make her do or watch them if she tells me she is scared of them.

That does not mean I am holding her back or that she will be an adult that is confused or anything.


:brick:

 

[Brioli]

While I realise to have said you probably didn't say it correctly, this line in your original post is what I reacted to:And now you're saying:



I'm sorry if you've been upset by the responses you've received, but that first quote is very definitely not the same kind of information as you're relaying in the second. My reference to corporal or psychological punishment was in the sense of corporal as relates to the body. If you physically force your child onto a ride that they don't want to ride and they consider it punishment, then it is by definition "corporal" because it is a physical activity as opposed to "psychological" if there is intellectual punishment. "Corporal punishment" does not only refer to beatings, though it has takien on that meaning in the vernacular.

My son has on occasion refused to ride Tower of Terror. When he was 5 he rode it and got off saying "That was fun, but I'm never riding it again". We didn't ride it that trip or the next. Our third trip, he decided to try again and enjoyed it, we rode a dozen or more times. The next trip he absolutely refused, despite my assurances that he had thoroughly enjoyed it our last trip. Now he's a teenager and has no issues with it at all.

In no instance would I ever consider physically "forcing" him to do something that legitimately or irrationally scared him [which is what that first quote suggests I "must" do]. I will however always do whatever I can to explain the situation to him and help him overcome his fear in order that he can enjoy whatever experiences await. He is now 13 years old and a very confident, self-assured and intelligent young man.

I have a question how does "make them" mean only "physically" dragging them onto a ride?

There are several ways to make a child do something besides physically forcing them.

Don't some of you use "time out" does that make your child stop doing something?

Not saying you can use time out with an older child or at a theme park, but I'm just saying.

I didn't define "how" to make them because that is entirely up to the parent and what works for their child.

I do believe that if at all possible you need to make them confront their fears.

and once again...I do realize how it could be interpreted that way.

 

[Nemo14]

Forcing your child to go to school is a legal obligation and has nothing to do with the discussion at hand.

It not only could be interpreted that way, it was and not just by myself, but by everybody who responded.

Communicating ideas related to child-rearing techniques is a very dangerous area to go into. You have indicated that you are self-educated on the issue because it interests you and that a friend who works as a psychologist has told you you are correct. Well, what you may have effectively communicated with the psychologist verbally has not translated well to the written word and therein lies the problem. What your friend may have been able to glean from you in conversation, possibly by asking questions for clarification might indeed be a good approach to dealing with a child's fears and your friend may have validated that. What you reflected in text in this thread does not have the benefit of being read by someone who understands you and can ask the right questions to get to what you mean, as a result your intent was misunderstood and you got some rather harsh responses. Because you're suggesting what on the surface appears a lot like child abuse, you got harsh replies. The reality is there is no one answer that is the perfect solution to dealing with childhood fears, if your friend told you that your approach was the only acceptable way to do so, s/he should seriously consider another profession, but I suspect that wasn't that case. I suspect that you were told that your method [that doesn't involve physically forcing a screaming child into a traumatic situation] was a good one, not the only one. But I wasn't there, so I can only guess at that.

:sohappy::sohappy::sohappy: Great post!

 

[maggiegrace1]

I really take offense at this post. My son is a very well adjusted 19 year old, an Honors College sophomore at a prestigous college, quite independent for his age, who just happens to not enjoy the feeling of dropping on ToT. He has traveled extensively both in the USA and abroad, is very talented musically, has a vast network of friends, and has a kind and compassionate heart.
Has he missed out on an important life experience? I don't think so!

Betty...you have no idea what he could be enjoying if he only he would ride ToT....What is wrong with you?!!!:brick::brick:

I have to not post in this thread anymore because I will say something that will not be appropriate..

 

[SweetMagic]

After a couple of times..kids do not do this....and truthfully...your 19-year-old is missing out on a very enjoyable experience.

You never know what being afraid has made him feel like inside. Especially when the majority of his peers are not.

It's subconscious thing that he may not even be aware of himself. He may find himself afraid of other things...and doesn't even realize it's contributed to not facing his fear of rides...

I mean what else is he afraid of in life?

:brick::brick::brick:

How could you possibly know what someone elses idea of an enjoyable experience is?!?

And now you are an authority on adult fears as well.

Just wow.

This would be a good time to back away from the computer.

 

[Nemo14]

Betty...you have no idea what he could be enjoying if he only he would ride ToT....What is wrong with you?!!!:brick::brick:

I have to not post in this thread anymore because I will say something that will not be appropriate..

*sends a flock of seagulls your way*





:kiss:

 

[maggiegrace1]

*sends a flock of seagulls your way*





:kiss:

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