is there a chance that the Magical Express will come back?

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
What’s really sad is how clueless they are - they are so close to doing things right.
from a value perspective…they’ve never been more wrong

Those airport shuttles made a huge difference to the primary guests - the ones flying in!!! Those are the guests you want to wine and dine.
agreed. They made a rash decision…it was peanuts.
They wouldn’t have done that if they had closely considered universal’s expansion. They never consider anything a threat…those days are over.

Speaking of wine and wine, remember when the dining plan was so easy and everything was included?
The dining plan lessened the quality of the table service across the board…I’m glad it went. The new version doesn’t seem to be getting much traction either. Maybe people are over getting charged $100 a head upfront?
 

bjlc57

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Original Poster
no i agree.. its perceived as NICKEL AND DIMING.. and IT NEEDS TO COME BACK.. again its your first WDW ride of your vacation.. its a ride not "transportation" .. it makes the place beyond special.. but its a ride like the monorails or the people mover.. and it sets WDW apart FROM ANYONE ELSE...
 

Jrb1979

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no i agree.. its perceived as NICKEL AND DIMING.. and IT NEEDS TO COME BACK.. again its your first WDW ride of your vacation.. its a ride not "transportation" .. it makes the place beyond special.. but its a ride like the monorails or the people mover.. and it sets WDW apart FROM ANYONE ELSE...
It did set them apart. I'm not so sure they are that much better than anyone else now.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
no i agree.. its perceived as NICKEL AND DIMING.. and IT NEEDS TO COME BACK.. again its your first WDW ride of your vacation.. its a ride not "transportation" .. it makes the place beyond special.. but its a ride like the monorails or the people mover.. and it sets WDW apart FROM ANYONE ELSE...

They realistically have no intentions of bringing it back.
It’s an airport shuttle. 15 miles. You gotta get there somehow.
 

Goofyernmost

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They made a rash decision…it was peanuts.
They wouldn’t have done that if they had closely considered universal’s expansion. They never consider anything a threat…those days are over.
It may have been a rash decision but it was hardly peanuts. The cost of that bus service was a lot more than most of you can even imagine. You tend to think of it as the same as driving a car to and from the airport. It is not. It involves running buses all day long back and forth between the resort and the airport. And not just one bus, but at least 3 (probably more) along with pay for the drivers, fuel, insurance, maintenance and repairs. They were paying a third party to supply all that stuff, the buses and the rest of the expense and that third party has to make a profit on top of that. It is millions/millions of dollars per year, just for the buses alone. It was to keep people on the site but with the addition of Uber and Lyft it no longer was working to their advantage to make the cost worth the return. People got to the parks for 30+ years before the Magic Bus existed, they can do it again.
It used to be maximizing the guest experience, now its maximizing profit at the expense of the guest. Sad
The profit was always at the expense of the guest, otherwise admission would be free. It's just that Disney got unusually greedy and they will eventually pay for that greed, if they aren't already.
 

TrainsOfDisney

Well-Known Member
The cost of that bus service was a lot more than most of you can even imagine.
I can imagine. In the grand scheme of things the cost was surely worth the positive energy it sent towards the guests.

I just checked out of Port Orleans a couple days ago and seeing the yellow Mears bus dropping people off doesn’t give you the same feels. So just the branding and optics on-property was worth something.
 

Vegas Disney Fan

Well-Known Member
The cost of that bus service was a lot more than most of you can even imagine.
It was built into the room rate, and when it was ended the room rates didn’t go down. This was a pure money grab, we paid for the service before via our room rates and we’re still paying for it now (since the rates didn’t adjust), we’re just getting nothing for that money now.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
It may have been a rash decision but it was hardly peanuts. The cost of that bus service was a lot more than most of you can even imagine. You tend to think of it as the same as driving a car to and from the airport. It is not. It involves running buses all day long back and forth between the resort and the airport. And not just one bus, but at least 3 (probably more) along with pay for the drivers, fuel, insurance, maintenance and repairs. They were paying a third party to supply all that stuff, the buses and the rest of the expense and that third party has to make a profit on top of that. It is millions/millions of dollars per year, just for the buses alone. It was to keep people on the site but with the addition of Uber and Lyft it no longer was working to their advantage to make the cost worth the return. People got to the parks for 30+ years before the Magic Bus existed, they can do it again.

The profit was always at the expense of the guest, otherwise admission would be free. It's just that Disney got unusually greedy and they will eventually pay for that greed, if they aren't already.
Disney didn’t pay for the “costs”…they paid Mears for a service

Nice and tidy

And though I’m sure the costs grew a lot…compared to their overhead all over wdw…it was nothing.

Hell…I bet they may have saved valet/labor costs over the years…though not that much
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
It was built into the room rate, and when it was ended the room rates didn’t go down. This was a pure money grab, we paid for the service before via our room rates and we’re still paying for it now (since the rates didn’t adjust), we’re just getting nothing for that money now.
If you look at it from that angle…yes…that is correct
 

John park hopper

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Goofyrnmost we both have been going to WDW for a long time and Disney was not always making Profit the # 1 goal or at least we guests didn't have that feeling. Prices were reasonable and we didn't have the feeling we were being nickel and dimmed to death. IMO Disney is using the parks as a cash cow to prop all their failing acquisitions.
Your statement is so true
" It's just that Disney got unusually greedy and they will eventually pay for that greed, if they aren't already."
 

Goofyernmost

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I can imagine. In the grand scheme of things the cost was surely worth the positive energy it sent towards the guests.

I just checked out of Port Orleans a couple days ago and seeing the yellow Mears bus dropping people off doesn’t give you the same feels. So just the branding and optics on-property was worth something.
It's only positive, now a negative, for those that had used it before. New people were not exposed to it and are reeking in positive energy just going there. At some point, probably when the excessive charges hits their wallets, the positivity starts to decline. The cost to ride a bus is a whole lot less than the cost of operating one or a cab or a rental. I firmly believe that if there is, indeed, a decrease in attendance it is because of the cost of entry and the cost of Genie/Lightning, food, and the incredible complication of visiting, (AKA reservations and other restrictions)

I have been to WDW 48 times over the last 40 years, it had no bus from airport for around 20 years in that time but I stayed offsite. I didn't go that often from Vermont for 30 of those years because of a fancy bus from the airport and I never saw a reason to use it even when I flew into MCO and stayed onsite. Of all the things they have dropped the bus service is the one that is the most logical because it really isn't needed, in my opinion.
 

Goofyernmost

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It was built into the room rate, and when it was ended the room rates didn’t go down. This was a pure money grab, we paid for the service before via our room rates and we’re still paying for it now (since the rates didn’t adjust), we’re just getting nothing for that money now.
Welcome to the Wonderful World of Disney pricing systems. Pay more and more, get less and less. And that is just one example of what they think of their guests resort wide.
 

Goofyernmost

Well-Known Member
Disney didn’t pay for the “costs”…they paid Mears for a service

Nice and tidy

And though I’m sure the costs grew a lot…compared to their overhead all over wdw…it was nothing.

Hell…I bet they may have saved valet/labor costs over the years…though not that much
What's the difference? They saved nothing the cost for the service included all the costs that were incurred. Every nut and bolt and on top of that they had to cover Mears profit needs. They probably got a deal, but Mears would be out of business by know if Disney wasn't paying costs plus profit.

For them it wasn't a deal breaker, but it was a lot more cost they you think. It was the item that Disney had to pay for every single day and it wasn't a profit based service in and of itself. It was nothing but pure expense. Not something that the stock holders like to see on the P&L statements.

It is now a handy excuse for Disney to use with investors, but the lack of it really isn't what is hurting WDW at this point in their history.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
What's the difference? They saved nothing the cost for the service included all the costs that were incurred. Every nut and bolt and on top of that they had to cover Mears profit needs. They probably got a deal, but Mears would be out of business by know if Disney wasn't paying costs plus profit.

For them it wasn't a deal breaker, but it was a lot more cost they you think. It was the item that Disney had to pay for every single day and it wasn't a profit based service in and of itself. It was nothing but pure expense. Not something that the stock holders like to see on the P&L statements.

It is now a handy excuse for Disney to use with investors, but the lack of it really isn't what is hurting WDW at this point in their history.
The whole point of the compound is to get you there to buy high profit stuff…not to sell rooms and tickets. That’s the overhead.

Magical express is way to achieve that goal. Cancelling it hurts that goal. It was a dumb move…not a cost saving one
 

TrainsOfDisney

Well-Known Member
but it was a lot more cost they you think.
Why do you think you’re the only one that understands that Disney paid Mears money to operate the bus? We all know that.

it really isn't needed, in my opinion.
If it wasn’t needed, we wouldn’t see giant yellow Mears busses all over the property lol.
 

Goofyernmost

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The whole point of the compound is to get you there to buy high profit stuff…not to sell rooms and tickets. That’s the overhead.

Magical express is way to achieve that goal. Cancelling it hurts that goal. It was a dumb move…not a cost saving one
We'll have to agree to disagree about that. They did start it to get people there, but more to keep people there where they had to pay the higher prices because escape was costly and more complicated.

Without the Magic Prison Express they raised the other prices and dropped a massive cost. I'm not sure how anyone knows if attendance has seriously dropped or not because Disney doesn't really share that information, but I doubt the drop has come even close to how much that transportation was costing Disney. As I said before, if it dropped it was more because of the massive increase in the cost of admission coupled with the fact that in order to actually see anything worth seeing there is a substantial additional cost to do what was once part of admission. I firmly believe that they planned on stopping the bus long before they actually did and why they instituted the parking fee anticipating more people having either a personal or a rental vehicle. The Pandemic gave them cover to drop the bus but the parking fee was to premature to not be it's own problem that they later had to drop.
 

Goofyernmost

Well-Known Member
Why do you think you’re the only one that understands that Disney paid Mears money to operate the bus? We all know that.


If it wasn’t needed, we wouldn’t see giant yellow Mears busses all over the property lol.
#1 Because more than one person was seeming to think that it was a drop in the bucket, you included. And I know better so I felt the need to spell it out. If you already knew you could just skip over it.

#2 It wasn't needed to maintain WDW's profit. There needs to be a benefit for both. I'm not even sure what you mean by the Yellow bus. Mears owned all those Disney decorated buses and I'm sure they are still using them just like before. They are just charging riders to ride now where Disney paid for it before. If it was strictly yellow, it might have just been a spare bus that the used to fill in for one of the others.

The guest had always had to find their own way to the resort for many, many years and, of course, they all need a way to get there and back then there were no buses at all going there. The airport is still the same distance from the airport that it always was and if someone is driving their own vehicles were still the same distance away from their home. It was WDW that didn't feel it was generating any additional income so Disney didn't need it anymore and in the process not only saved a lot of money but also didn't lower the resort rates to indicate how much was charged in the room rates for everyone, even those that didn't fly in to Orlando. Win, Win for Disney!
 

TrainsOfDisney

Well-Known Member
I'm not even sure what you mean by the Yellow bus. Mears owned all those Disney decorated buses and I'm sure they are still using them just like before. They are just charging riders to ride now where Disney paid for it before. If it was strictly yellow, it might have just been a spare bus that the used to fill in for one of the others.
The standard Mears bus is yellow. Before magical express this is what they operated, and now it’s what they operate again. All Disney branding has been removed.

My point is, the number of yellow mears buses I saw on property tells me there is still a demand and a need for the service.
 

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