Rumor Is the End of Innoventions Near?

Phicinfan

Phicinfan

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Kman101 said:
If we're stuck with festivals (it was wishful thinking on most people's parts that they would ever drop them) I'm OK with a building if it's multi-story and greatly designed. If it's a big box? No thanks. But then again, they have all sorts of space in both Innoventions buildings. Why not there?

It just feels like they could better utilize the spaces they have, but I wonder what other factors played into this decision?

It also depends for me how "interactive" the Play pavilion really is. If it's a nod to the past while using IP, I can accept it a little more. But I also don't hate most of the IP being shoved into one pavilion either.

Mixed feelings on so many of these things ... I try and find a bright spot where I can. Keeps me partially sane ;)
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My main concern is this to me states the main FOCUS of this park is now Festivals...not a theme. Which in retrospect may be what @marni1971 was alluding to.
If we had gotten more attractions and then this added, I would have been more okay with it. Don't get me wrong, I love that they are doing the following:
Adding to FW with GotG - now, would I have prefered updating Energy, yes, but at least we are getting a new ride
Adding Space restaurant - I can get my Tang on ;) , but more eating spots are always welcome
Adding Rat, adding UK ride, hopefully still adding at least ONE pavillion in WS
Update of SSE
Update in Land - non-IP at that 👍
WoL - which seems to be innovations light.

but instead of spending to fix Imagination or adding some other new attraction they are spending $$$$ to tear down buildings and build another festival spot and then adding a beer garden. Just a bit out of place no?
 
King Panda 77

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tigerlight said:
Whether he admits it or not, it's important to keep in mind that "Marni" has an agenda/point of view.
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BoarderPhreak

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tigerlight said:
Exactly and the buildings are awful. They reflect a dying "Walt Disney Productions" that couldn't afford better themed structures in 1982... good riddance.
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Don't get me wrong, I'd much rather see the original Communicore restored to its former glory. At that time, the buildings had a purpose, with arguably valuable attractions - and were well lit and attended. Towards the end and especially once Innoventions moved in there it's been a largely empty black shell with truly questionable "attractions." IMO, they were nothing more than stop-gap measures to have something (anything) in these spaces; including the vast meet-n-greet. The buildings themselves aren't ugly (the Sherwin Williams rainbow paint job notwithstanding).
 
britain

britain

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Hard for me to believe Reflections of Earth has been around twice as long as the original Illuminations. In my youth, I saw the original quite a bit; RoE, only two times.
 
marni1971

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tigerlight said:
Odd that you haven't bothered to refute my main point: you love to mix (your) opinions and (some) facts together into the same basic statement: Disney leaders are incompetent buffoons who overspend on crappy stuff. Isn't that what you basically think?
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Why refute your opinion? It’s not a case of not bothered. More like can’t be arsed.

Others can decide for themselves what my “agenda” is. Since you think I have one.
 
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Magenta Panther

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tigerlight said:
Whether he admits it or not, it's important to keep in mind that "Marni" has an agenda/point of view. His view is that all Disney executives/leaders are basically bumpkins that massively overspend on crappy stuff. This is a view held by many (especially old-timers) in the Imagineering wing of the company. If that's your point of view, too, then great - everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But it's important to separate the opinions from the facts (and Marni dishes out both).

And... please do the research yourself, but I PROMISE Walt, was NOT that man you he think he was. I'd encourage you to read a few of the "unauthorized" but well-sourced biographies of Walt... and don't be a victim of marketing. Disney had made many million dollars perpetuating the myth of Walt...
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Well, THAT opinion of Walt sounds...suspiciously...familiar. :cautious:

I have read "unauthorized" biographies of Walt - most notably "The Disney Version" by Richard Schickel - and if anything the authors of those books are the ones who present opinions rather than facts. (I agree with the opinion of Joe Adamson, who wrote a definitive biography of the career of MGM animation director Tex Avery, that the Schickel book should have been entitled "The Outrage of Richard Schickel", because the book is so full of BS. It's mostly a tedious didactic rehash of the Disney strike of 1941). I see no reason to believe that such biased diatribes are more reliable than Bob Thomas' biography of Walt, which was well-researched, contains interviews of Walt and his employees that Thomas conducted himself, and Thomas' pledge that neither the Disney company nor the Disney family influenced or interfered with him in any way. Thomas had a sterling reputation as biographer and reporter. So stow the lecture, dude.

As for Marni, he cares about the parks and has inside information, and therefore I fully support his agenda/point of view. He has proven to be a reliable source, and is one of the main reasons I visit his site. And that's that.

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Spash007

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Sorry to interject, but this is seriously getting ridiculous. Does @marni1971 put his opinion in his posts? Yes. Are they sometimes in the same post as news/rumors he's providing? Yes. Can an individual of minimal intelligence tell the difference between the facts, rumors and his opinion? Yes! Even then, his opinions also have never been 100% for or against TDO. Look at this case, he explicitly stated that in his opinion there were options better, and also worse, than the one green-lit.

Meanwhile, is there a member of these forums who has a history of bashing the insiders, asking for sources and then refuting them? Yes, I'm looking at you @tigerlight. That is the definition of an agenda.

I appreciate the insight given here, and I also appreciate seeing other people's opinions. I don't love this idea, but at the same time can appreciate FW getting less "bulky". I'm skeptical, but time will tell.
 
DC0703

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Bender123 said:
As a Wisconsinite, Im still trying to figure out all the hate for the beer garden...
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As a former Wisconsinite, I was thinking the same thing. The beer garden concept has exploded in the last five years or so, and are really trendy and popular in this part of the country.

In my experience, they are usually located in county parks and are generally gathering spaces in a garden pavilion where they serve beer, non-alcoholic beverages and food. Sometimes there is music nearby and a lot of times there are playgrounds or activities for kids.

I don't know what the Epcot plans are, but based on the map showing green space and gardens nearby, I'm guessing it may be similar. Not that Epcot doesn't already have elements of this concept throughout the World Showcase, but I digress...
 

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