Is The 2020's Disneyland Resort's Lost Decade???

[TP2000]

As I recall, her hubby Jeff (allegedly) got one of his buddies to attack Nancy. But it's worth watching the movie - Margot Robbie plays Tonya (though I watched it for Sebastian Stan playing Jeff). Craig Gillespie picks some amazing real life stories of truly terribly stupid people to tell (please note, I'm not denigrating the victims but their perpetrators) and somehow makes it entertaining in a train wreck kind of way.

TP2000 Fun Fact: Around 1982 I was semi-dating a guy who lived down in Portland, Oregon. On one of our dates in Portland, he took me to the Clackamas Town Center Mall ice rink where Tonya Harding practiced daily a decade later.

It was a splashy new double-decker mall then, with all the major department stores and a big food court above an ice rink, but it was definitely on the wrong side of the river for Portland circa '82. The east side of Portland is the least affluent side of town. The hairdos and fashions at that mall were definitely 1978 instead of '82. The parking lot was full of El Caminos and custom vans with artistic depictions painted on the sides of things like scantily clad ladies slaying dragons. Everyone smoked in the mall. Tonya Harding would have fit right in, if she wasn't already there as a 12 year old learning the skating ropes in between trips to the Orange Julius and the cigarette machine.

Just over a decade later when NBC Sports was doing salacious stories from the Lillehammer Olympic Village about Tonya Harding's troubled working class background in Portland and they showed that Clackamas Town Center (funny the things/names you remember) mall skating rink, I pointed at the screen and screeched "I went on a bad date there once!"

It was my brush with Olympic Greatness.

I would have liked to have dated an actual Olympian instead as my brush with Olympic Greatness, but that's as close as I got.

 

[truecoat]

next park will either b a sister to HK/Shanghai or a 3rd gate in Paris. Thats my bet

Yep, another park in China or India with it's 1.5 billion people.

 

[Phroobar]

How about a park in Nebraska? Just cut the travel difference for the country.

 

[Disney Irish]

How about a park in Nebraska? Just cut the travel difference for the country.

The Park would only be opened like 3 months a year. From snow storms, to tornado's, to bad rain and lightning storms the park would be closed due to bad weather more than it would be open. That is why there are no major amusement parks in Nebraska.

 

[CHOX]

TP2000 Fun Fact: Around 1982 I was semi-dating a guy who lived down in Portland, Oregon. On one of our dates in Portland, he took me to the Clackamas Town Center Mall ice rink where Tonya Harding practiced daily a decade later.

It was a splashy new double-decker mall then, with all the major department stores and a big food court above an ice rink, but it was definitely on the wrong side of the river for Portland circa '82. The east side of Portland is the least affluent side of town. The hairdos and fashions at that mall were definitely 1978 instead of '82. The parking lot was full of El Caminos and custom vans with artistic depictions painted on the sides of things like scantily clad ladies slaying dragons. Everyone smoked in the mall. Tonya Harding would have fit right in, if she wasn't already there as a 12 year old learning the skating ropes in between trips to the Orange Julius and the cigarette machine.

Just over a decade later when NBC Sports was doing salacious stories from the Lillehammer Olympic Village about Tonya Harding's troubled working class background in Portland and they showed that Clackamas Town Center (funny the things/names you remember) mall skating rink, I pointed at the screen and screeched "I went on a bad date there once!"

It was my brush with Olympic Greatness.

I would have liked to have dated an actual Olympian instead as my brush with Olympic Greatness, but that's as close as I got.

I remember that food court, but most of all I remember the Sesame Street store with an animatronic Oscar outside of it.

 

[truecoat]

The Park would only be opened like 3 months a year. From snow storms, to tornado's, to bad rain and lightning storms the park would be closed due to bad weather more than it would be open. That is why there are no major amusement parks in Nebraska.

Yet, Missouri and Oklahoma have amusement parks and water parks. It's more about population size than anything.

 

[TP2000]

Yet, Missouri and Oklahoma have amusement parks and water parks. It's more about population size than anything.

Population of Nebraska = 1.9 Million
Population of Oklahoma = 4.0 Million
Population of Missouri = 6.1 Million

Population of Southern California's Six Counties = 21.2 Million (Ventura, LA, OC, Riverside, San Bernardino, San Diego)

 

[mlayton144]

Yep, another park in China or India with it's 1.5 billion people.

What percentage of Indian citizens do you think could afford a Disney vacation? Below is a sobering statistic

According to 76th NSO survey conducted between July and December 2018, 68.1 percent of households had exclusive access to toilets, while 20 percent of households across the country had no access to any kind of toilets.

 

[Disney Irish]

Yet, Missouri and Oklahoma have amusement parks and water parks. It's more about population size than anything.

And Nebraska has several regional amusement parks and water parks too. But all those states are the same, regional parks opened for 3-5/6 months out of the year, ie seasonal. None have major year round parks and the reason is due to weather. So I don't see Disney adding another Park into any region, even in the US, that wouldn't be able to offer year round operations. And I really don't see Disney opening a seasonal Park.

 

[Miru]

There was also Enchanted Wish in 2021, I’d count that as a new attraction.

Not to mention, the actual quality of the attractions ranges from mediocre to outright garbage, to add insult to injury.

 

[TP2000]

I remember that food court, but most of all I remember the Sesame Street store with an animatronic Oscar outside of it.

I think I remember that it was once called "Clackamas Town Center" because it was apparently developed by the same mall developer as a mall just over the freeway from my place in La Jolla. That mall is still called "University Town Center", and it also was built with an ice rink and the exact same aesthetics as the Portland version, but with palm trees instead of pine trees. When University Town Center opened in the late 70's, it had local TV commercials with Olympic ice skater Peggy Fleming.

Peggy was a dramatically different class of person than Tonya Harding was. And from my own personal experience at both malls, University Town Center is a dramatically different class of mall than Clackamas Town Center was.

 

[PiratesMansion]

And Nebraska has several regional amusement parks too.

Not really-there are literally two coasters in the entire state of Nebraska: one at a fairground, one at a waterpark, both intended for children.

Having driven through the state several times recently, Nebraska is filled with 1 incredible zoo, several Runzas, a cool highway overpass that contains a pretty nice Museum of Western Expansion, and miles and miles and miles and miles of empty, boring countryside. Especially if you go further west than Lincoln, the entire state's pretty desolate.

There's a reason that the number of parks and coasters get pretty sparse west of the Mississippi relatively fast, with Missouri, Texas, and California being the exceptions rather than the rule. There just isn't the population or tourist numbers to make big parks viable for those areas.

IF a new Disney resort is ever built in the US-and I'd bet fairly significant dollars that it won't be-Texas is the only viable place. Relatively central location, population density and tourist draws are in the state's favor. But the premise of a third US resort is flawed IMO, because it's premised on the notion that people don't already have a Disney park they could choose to go to. Disneyland and Walt Disney World are both fairly established brands, and I'm not sure a third resort would do anything other than cannibalize the existing resorts.

Internationally, another park in China is more likely than anywhere else. I remember Iger saying at some point something to the effect that India wasn't developed enough to support a Disney property anytime soon, even though it certainly has the population to support its own resort. Europe couldn't support a second Disney resort, nor does any Disney resort seem viable anywhere in South America, Africa, or Australia. That leaves Asia as the only immediately viable market if Disney was to open any new theme park expansions in the future.

 

[Disney Irish]

Not really-there are literally two coasters in the entire state of Nebraska: one at a fairground, one at a waterpark, both intended for children.

Having driven through the state several times recently, Nebraska is filled with 1 incredible zoo, several Runzas, a cool highway overpass that contains a pretty nice Museum of Western Expansion, and miles and miles and miles and miles of empty, boring countryside. Especially if you go further west than Lincoln, the entire state's pretty desolate.

There's a reason that the number of parks and coasters get pretty sparse west of the Mississippi relatively fast, with Missouri, Texas, and California being the exceptions rather than the rule. There just isn't the population or tourist numbers to make big parks viable for those areas.

IF a new Disney resort is ever built in the US-and I'd bet fairly significant dollars that it won't be-Texas is the only viable place. Relatively central location, population density and tourist draws are in the state's favor. But the premise of a third US resort is flawed IMO, because it's premised on the notion that people don't already have a Disney park they could choose to go to. Disneyland and Walt Disney World are both fairly established brands, and I'm not sure a third resort would do anything other than cannibalize the existing resorts.

Internationally, another park in China is more likely than anywhere else. I remember Iger saying at some point something to the effect that India wasn't developed enough to support a Disney property anytime soon, even though it certainly has the population to support its own resort. Europe couldn't support a second Disney resort, nor does any Disney resort seem viable anywhere in South America, Africa, or Australia. That leaves Asia as the only immediately viable market if Disney was to open any new theme park expansions in the future.

The point was that while Nebraska has regional amusement parks, albeit same ones, that it wouldn't be an ideal location for a large mega theme park like a Disney Park for many reasons including weather.

Even with Texas with its potential snow storms and such I wouldn't say its a candidate either. Basically Disney has to the 2 most ideal locations in the US for a theme park destination.

 

[Phroobar]

Not really-there are literally two coasters in the entire state of Nebraska: one at a fairground, one at a waterpark, both intended for children.

Having driven through the state several times recently, Nebraska is filled with 1 incredible zoo, several Runzas, a cool highway overpass that contains a pretty nice Museum of Western Expansion, and miles and miles and miles and miles of empty, boring countryside. Especially if you go further west than Lincoln, the entire state's pretty desolate.

There's a reason that the number of parks and coasters get pretty sparse west of the Mississippi relatively fast, with Missouri, Texas, and California being the exceptions rather than the rule. There just isn't the population or tourist numbers to make big parks viable for those areas.

IF a new Disney resort is ever built in the US-and I'd bet fairly significant dollars that it won't be-Texas is the only viable place. Relatively central location, population density and tourist draws are in the state's favor. But the premise of a third US resort is flawed IMO, because it's premised on the notion that people don't already have a Disney park they could choose to go to. Disneyland and Walt Disney World are both fairly established brands, and I'm not sure a third resort would do anything other than cannibalize the existing resorts.

Internationally, another park in China is more likely than anywhere else. I remember Iger saying at some point something to the effect that India wasn't developed enough to support a Disney property anytime soon, even though it certainly has the population to support its own resort. Europe couldn't support a second Disney resort, nor does any Disney resort seem viable anywhere in South America, Africa, or Australia. That leaves Asia as the only immediately viable market if Disney was to open any new theme park expansions in the future.

Bad idea

 

[drizgirl]

Bad idea

Much less of a risk than the hurricanes in FL.

 

[TP2000]

On the earning's call and Fiscal 2023 recap yesterday, Bob and team released this slide that shows all of the "openings and events" going into the Parks division. It's almost entirely Asia, DVC, and Cruise Line stuff, with no new park capacity coming to either WDW or Disneyland.

It's now Fiscal 2024, and not a peep or any bulldozer in sight for something that if it got started immediately wouldn't open until 2027. Things are going to be awfully quiet around Anaheim for the next few years...

 

[SuddenStorm]

On the earning's call and Fiscal 2023 recap yesterday, Bob and team released this slide that shows all of the "openings and events" going into the Parks division. It's almost entirely Asia, DVC, and Cruise Line stuff, with no new park capacity coming to either WDW or Disneyland.

It's now Fiscal 2024, and not a peep or any bulldozer in sight for something that if it got started immediately wouldn't open until 2027. Things are going to be awfully quiet around Anaheim for the next few years...

To be fair, I wish things had gone quiet in Anaheim around 2015- much of what they've done since hasn't been an improvement.

 

[TheDisneyParksfanC8]

On the earning's call and Fiscal 2023 recap yesterday, Bob and team released this slide that shows all of the "openings and events" going into the Parks division. It's almost entirely Asia, DVC, and Cruise Line stuff, with no new park capacity coming to either WDW or Disneyland.

It's now Fiscal 2024, and not a peep or any bulldozer in sight for something that if it got started immediately wouldn't open until 2027. Things are going to be awfully quiet around Anaheim for the next few years...

Does that mean the Avengers E ticket at DCA is now 2028 or could they still make 2027 If they break ground on it next year? As for some of those blue sky concepts like that Villains or Encanto land are probably 2029-2030 at this point if they come to be.

 

[TP2000]

Does that mean the Avengers E ticket at DCA is now 2028 or could they still make 2027 If they break ground on it next year? As for some of those blue sky concepts like that Villains or Encanto land are probably 2029-2030 at this point if they come to be.

Well, I suppose if they broke ground on the Avengers E Ticket this spring it could make it by Christmas, 2027.

The blue sky concepts announced are nothing yet. They are simply gauzy and purposely vague computer generated images created by a couple of summer interns after a Starbucks run.

They mean nothing, and they're merely used by Sidekick Tightpants as a time filler at D23 events because he has nothing of actual substance to talk about for any American theme park.

 

[TheDisneyParksfanC8]

Well, I suppose if they broke ground on the Avengers E Ticket this spring it could make it by Christmas, 2027.

The blue sky concepts announced are nothing yet. They are simply gauzy and purposely vague computer generated images created by a couple of summer interns after a Starbucks run.

They mean nothing, and they're merely used by Sidekick Tightpants as a time filler at D23 events because he has nothing of actual substance to talk about for any American theme park.

They can market the Avengers E ticket as the big addition for LA2028. But by the way you put it, I am going to say at this rate Disney is going to miss the boat for anything large scale to their domestic parks this decade. Maybe by the 2030's they will go all out at the American parks with new additions once the bottleneck in resources caused by adding to their overseas parks and cruise line are eased.