Phroobar
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It seems like Disneyland has had construction walls everywhere for years. It's not like they aren't investing in Disneyland & DCA. Tomorrowland is like a haunted house to TDA. They won't go near it.
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Is The 2020's Disneyland Resort's Lost Decade???
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SSG
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Here's the conundrum. TL probably needs the most help of any land but Disney doesn't feel a pressing need to spend money there. There's an insane amount of things to do in Tomorrowland:
Attractions
Astro Orbiter, Autopia, Buzz Lightyear Astro Blasters, Disneyland Monorail, Disneyland Railroad, Finding Nemo Submarine Voyage, Space Mountain, Star Tours, Dance parties at night.
Food
Pizza Planet, Galactic Grill. (Skyline Terrace at a push), ODV carts.
Shops
Autopia Winners Circle, Little Green Men Store Command, The Star Trader, Tomorrowlanding (is this still open?).
And the land is still popular and crowded with guests. So Disney (rightly) thinks a TL re-do isn't vital, because people still come and spend time and money there as it is. Given the amount of money needed to fix TL, I'm not sure Disney is wrong.
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Phroobar
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I have a feeling that if Disney went forward with Disney Forward it will be done on the cheap
I think TL is just way more daunting than a couple of new figures or walkways. They aren't willing to push the button on a huge multi-IP based land.
I don't know if that is really true since they keep plusing NOS (pirates/HM) and people still come and spend time/money there. Even Toon Town was packed before the remodel.
I think TL is just way more daunting than a couple of new figures or walkways. They aren't willing to push the button on a huge multi-IP based land.
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SSG
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Well, that's kind of my point. This wouldn't be adding a Hatbox Ghost or even putting MMRR into the north end of Toon Town. Disney would pretty much have to gut TL and spend a huge amount of money to to get it into shape. But in the meantime, the land chugs along as is.
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TheDisneyParksfanC8
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Don't know where else to put this but MiceChat has a rumor that Avatar will go to DCA and is in consideration to replace Hollywoodland
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Disneyland Update - Bring It On - OR - The Big Tease!
You can count on unexpected events at Disneyland at any time. Last week brought the milestone announcement that they've taken another significant step toward a major resort expansion (DisneylandForward). But this week's blockbuster news tops
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Disney Vault
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That whole article is filled with random speculation. They clearly don't have their old sources and stating random thoughts as actual news.
For example talking about building parks in India and Brazil with the 60 billion. Disney would be nuts to build a park in India. Disney plus is bleeding customers in India and they are much more focused on Bollywood than traditional Hollywood. They don't have the same influence there.
And they talk about the smaller regional attraction idea for disney like what universal is going. But Disney has said they aren't going that route.
For example talking about building parks in India and Brazil with the 60 billion. Disney would be nuts to build a park in India. Disney plus is bleeding customers in India and they are much more focused on Bollywood than traditional Hollywood. They don't have the same influence there.
And they talk about the smaller regional attraction idea for disney like what universal is going. But Disney has said they aren't going that route.
Consumer
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Disney should build a theme park in Iran.
In all seriousness, though, if Disney is going to build a new resort it ought to be in Australia. They're the furthest removed from any Disney park, the climate is good, and they don't hate the United States. If Disney did want to build in the US, Texas is obviously a good spot, but I'd encounter with Missouri. Sure, it's a colder climate in the winter but it would serve Middle America better than California, Texas, or Florida, plus there's obvious the Walt Disney connection to the state. Put it in St. Louis or Springfield.
That all said, Disney doesn't seem to have any plans on building a new resort and would rather let the American parks rot while the Chinese parks get our money.
Walt already beat you to that idea, and he was going to put the entire park and all of its rides indoors to avoid the cold winters and humid summers of St. Louis.
But then Mr. Busch demanded they sell beer there, Walt said no way, and the whole deal was off.
It would have pre-dated Jay Rasulo's failed plan for "urban entertainment centers" by 40 years though.
Consumer
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Yes, I've done a bit of research on the topic, though information seems hard to come by. I've never seen this concept art so thanks for sharing. Honestly, as much as I'd love a Disney park in Missouri, I'm glad Riverfront Square wasn't what happened. The idea of a theme park inside of one building is silly, and looking at this particular concept art, the exterior planned is overwhelmingly midcentury which does not feel harmonious at all with the interior being primarily themed to Westward Expansion. There's definitely potential for a Disney park in Missouri, but Riverfront Square wasn't it.Walt already beat you to that idea, and he was going to put the entire park and all of its rides indoors to avoid the cold winters and humid summers of St. Louis.
But then Mr. Busch demanded they sell beer there, Walt said no way, and the whole deal was off.
It would have pre-dated Jay Rasulo's failed plan for "urban entertainment centers" by 40 years though.
Just outside of St. Louis and off I-70 would be a good spot for a new Disney Resort. Being located in the heart of America, it would also be the perfect opportunity to revisit the old Disney's America plans, but this time actually good. There's so much potential with that theme; a National Parks themed land ala Grizzly Peak, a NYC themed land filled with Marvel characters, Route 66 with Cars, a Colonial New England town, Dixieland of course, a 1950's American small town, and so on.
Mr. Iger, build this resort!
BasiltheBatLord
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FWIW, the NY Times article on the $60 billion investment said that Disney was considering an Indian park and a second mainland China park but decided not to do either.
truecoat
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So, am I the only one here who was an adult in 1984?
Certainly I can't be the only one here who knows what happened during SoCal's "Olympic Summer" in 1984, can I?
Cripes... I just did the math on Sidekick Tightpants. He was still in Junior High in 1984.
Jeez, it's been obvious there is no institutional knowledge of theme park operations at Disney parks for years now. But I really hope there's someone in TDA who thinks to Google "What happened at Disneyland during the 1984 Summer Olympics?" before they spend a bunch of money for Summer '28.
As a person who has watched the Olympics since I was a small child, they don't hold the same power they did in 1984. Disneyland won't be empty this time.
truecoat
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Australia has a population of 25 million, it's not a viable target.
Disney Irish
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With it being a new homeport for DCL starting in 2025 I could see Singapore getting a theme park in the future. If so that would cover the Oceanic regions and the rest of SE Asia.
Oh, that's an interesting point. And I would tend to agree with you on the powerful "Must See TV" impact the Olympics once had, but no longer do. The trendline has definitely been down for US audiences in the last 20 years, even as the nation's population has grown by over 50 Million people.
I stared at that graphic for a few moments trying to think why the Winter Olympics of '94 had such a huge audience... Then I remembered Tonya Harding taking out that snotty girl who complained about having to ride in the WDW victory parade held in her honor (what was her name???). I can remember the thug Tonya hired to whack the competitors knee, Steve Gilooly (sp?), but I can't remember the victim's name.
What does that say about me? What does that say that's what got Americans to tune in that winter?
MarvelCharacterNerd
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Nancy Kerrigan.
And it was Tonya's hubby Jeff Gillooly.
"I, Tonya" was a great movie on the subject, if folks haven't watched it. From director Craig Gillespie who also did the similar "Pam & Tommy" and "Dumb Money". And "Cruella" and the "Fright Night" remake amongst others.
Which reminds me I do need to watch "Cruella" at some point.
And it was Tonya's hubby Jeff Gillooly.
"I, Tonya" was a great movie on the subject, if folks haven't watched it. From director Craig Gillespie who also did the similar "Pam & Tommy" and "Dumb Money". And "Cruella" and the "Fright Night" remake amongst others.
Which reminds me I do need to watch "Cruella" at some point.
It's worth it.
That’s it! Thank you!
But in my aging memory banks it was Tonya who hired an ice rink hitman named Mr. Gilooly. If the Gilooly thug was her husband who actually attacked Miss Kerrigan, that’s even better. No wonder America tuned in!
MarvelCharacterNerd
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As I recall, her hubby Jeff (allegedly) got one of his buddies to attack Nancy. But it's worth watching the movie - Margot Robbie plays Tonya (though I watched it for Sebastian Stan playing Jeff). Craig Gillespie picks some amazing real life stories of truly terribly stupid people to tell (please note, I'm not denigrating the victims but their perpetrators) and somehow makes it entertaining in a train wreck kind of way.