Is Innoventions really needed anymore?

[UrbanDonovan]

I'm sure he would have warmed up to the idea of a second park...He was a entertainer first, and foremost of course...:lol:

Well, we'll have to agree to disagree on this point. Having read a couple of his biographies, Walt didn't seem to take things well when they didn't go as he wanted, but who knows? I guess when our technology advances far enough for him to be thawed out, we might just find out. :ROFLOL:

 

[EPCOT Explorer]

Well, we'll have to agree to disagree on this point. Having read a couple of his biographies, Walt didn't seem to take things well when they didn't go as he wanted, but who knows? I guess when our technology advances far enough for him to be thawed out, we might just find out. :ROFLOL:

Heheh. :lol: I love that rumor.


But yeah, Walt DID have that kind of personality...However, even the dreamer has to be realistic in SOME sense to make SOME aspect of the dream to come true.

While Walt was not one to settle, he was one to accomplish something. Opening Day Disneyland in 1955 was a FAR cry from what he truly wanted.

 

[ChrisFL]

You're kidding yourself if you think for a moment that Walt would have been happy with the original EPCOT Center.

That's what the Magic Kingdom was for, to be the financial supporter of the city. He didn't want two parks. :brick:

You know that, Explorer. You're too well-versed in all-things Disney to not know it. You're just in denial. You're criticizing Disney for changing from your ideal, when in fact, said ideal was a major change from the original plan.

I'm the biggest supporter of Walt's EPCOT City plan as anyone, HOWEVER it did have one big flaw...

It was designed to house the CM's, which is fine, but it was also going to be (somehow) also visited by tourists...which meant that those CM's living in the city would be "on stage" any time they're not sitting in their homes...that would have been a big issue I think.

 

[EPCOT Explorer]

I'm the biggest supporter of Walt's EPCOT City plan as anyone, HOWEVER it did have one big flaw...

It was designed to house the CM's, which is fine, but it was also going to be (somehow) also visited by tourists...which meant that those CM's living in the city would be "on stage" any time they're not sitting in their homes...that would have been a big issue I think.

Yeah, I really can't see the "Disney Image" reaching THAT far.:lookaroun

 

[Figment632]

You're kidding yourself if you think for a moment that Walt would have been happy with the original EPCOT Center.

That's what the Magic Kingdom was for, to be the financial supporter of the city. He didn't want two parks. :brick:

You know that, Explorer. You're too well-versed in all-things Disney to not know it. You're just in denial. You're criticizing Disney for changing from your ideal, when in fact, said ideal was a major change from the original plan.

Walt wanted a city but that is where Roy comes in. As much as he wanted a city Walt wanted to make money. Epcot city would have ruined him. Roy would have talked some sense into Walt and I think he would be very proud of EC.

 

[EPCOT Explorer]

Walt wanted a city but that is where Roy comes in. As much as he wanted a city Walt wanted to make money. Epcot city would have ruined him. Roy would have talked some sense into Walt and I think he would be very proud of EC.

Yeah, Roy would have been all for EPCOT Center, in my mind...:lookaroun:lol:

 

[Mr.EPCOT]

BAM!!! This guy hits it right on the head, as he almost always does.

As for Walt, he might have been aware that plans for EPCOT might be condensed down without him. Realizing that possibility, he might have been very minimally satisfied with EPCOT Center. Otherwise, he'd probably be at least a little upset, especially with the Epcot today. His focus for the project wasn't as broad or general as EPCOT Center is. He was very specifically interested in urban planning, and on a much larger scale than just a theme park. He wanted a city to play with, with a very specific layout, and with very specific goals. Certainly a very solid majority of them have never been attempted, let alone achieved.

 

[EPCOT Explorer]

BAM!!! This guy hits it right on the head, as he almost always does.

As for Walt, he might have been aware that plans for EPCOT might be condensed down without him. Realizing that possibility, he might have been very minimally satisfied with EPCOT Center. Otherwise, he'd probably be at least a little upset, especially with the Epcot today. His focus for the project wasn't as broad or general as EPCOT Center is. He was very specifically interested in urban planning, and on a much larger scale than just a theme park. He wanted a city to play with, with a very specific layout, and with very specific goals. Certainly a very solid majority of them have never been attempted, let alone achieved.

Wow, Epcot82 hit it on the head!!


And honestly, if Walt survived long enough, I think WDW as a whole would have become his city. In many ways it already has.

 

[Mr.EPCOT]

And honestly, if Walt survived long enough, I think WDW as a whole would have become is city.

Well, yeah, that was the plan!

In many ways it already has.

It is, and it isn't. It's definitely not the city that Walt wanted, and it doesn't even have any permanent residents. But it does function much as a city does, with operations like utilities, a fire department, etc.

 

[EPCOT Explorer]

Well, yeah, that was the plan!



It is, and it isn't. It's definitely not the city that Walt wanted, and it doesn't even have any permanent residents. But it does function much as a city does, with operations like utilities, a fire department, etc.

Yep, and it does fulfill several of the tech goals, even if they are for entertainment.


You could argue that the CP fulfills the residences.

 

[mastif]

BAM!!! This guy hits it right on the head, as he almost always does.

As for Walt, he might have been aware that plans for EPCOT might be condensed down without him. Realizing that possibility, he might have been very minimally satisfied with EPCOT Center. Otherwise, he'd probably be at least a little upset, especially with the Epcot today. His focus for the project wasn't as broad or general as EPCOT Center is. He was very specifically interested in urban planning, and on a much larger scale than just a theme park. He wanted a city to play with, with a very specific layout, and with very specific goals. Certainly a very solid majority of them have never been attempted, let alone achieved.

The closests thing to walt's "EPCOT" I think would be the Disney College Program.

 

[ChrisFL]

While true, the very fact that buses are used for most transportation needs would probably make Walt very unhappy

 

[EPCOT Explorer]

While true, the very fact that buses are used for most transportation needs would probably make Walt very unhappy

I call for a immediate Monorail expansion.:lookaroun

 

[Mr.EPCOT]

You could argue that the CP fulfills the residences.

From firsthand experience, no, you really can't. The housing isn't on Disney property, and isn't even operated by Disney. Disneyland has College Program housing, too, and they're definitely not a city.

 

[EpcotServo]

Seriously, have you SEEN where CPs live?
:lol:

 

[EPCOT Explorer]

From firsthand experience, no, you really can't. The housing isn't on Disney property, and isn't even operated by Disney. Disneyland has College Program housing, too, and they're definitely not a city.

I know, that, but in concept....it does fit the bill.

Seriously, have you SEEN where CPs live?
:lol:

:dazzle::lol:

 

[Figment632]

While true, the very fact that buses are used for most transportation needs would probably make Walt very unhappy

Agreed and all I know is that it makes me very un happy.

 

[EPCOT Explorer]

^Yeah, anyone remember that idea posted a few years back for a HUGE TTA....:lookaroun:lol:

 

[Figment632]

^Yeah, anyone remember that idea posted a few years back for a HUGE TTA....:lookaroun:lol:

I always wished that they would use the TTA on a large scale. Maybe they couls test it an a larger scale by connecting DHS and Epcot :shrug:

 

[RiversideBunny]

People often use the parameter of 'what Walt would have done', which is a legitimate approach.
I think it needs to be remembered though that Walt was a flexible person. He was not locked into what might have been the initial concept for a project.
He worked with his team, considered suggestions, and was always looking for better ways.

I used to watch Walt Disney on the 'Wonderful Word of Disney' show on TV.
He seemed sincerely fascinated by new concepts and things and did not present them as something that he alone came up with.
He was very much the leader of a professional team and it was the team's job to present him with new and different ideas.
He listened to the team and pushed for better and better approaches.

IMHO, I don't think that Walt Disney would ever be rigid enough to say that things should be done in only the way that he saw them at the initial outset of a complex project.
Tks.