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EPCOT Explorer

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I always wished that they would use the TTA on a large scale. Maybe they couls test it an a larger scale by connecting DHS and Epcot :shrug:
They SERIOUSLY need something connecting DAK, TTC and MGM. Seriously. Busses are NOT DISNEY QUALITY.:dazzle:


There, I said it. Flame away. Kaythx.

People often use the parameter of 'what Walt would have done', which is a legitimate approach.
I think it needs to be remembered though that Walt was a flexible person. He was not locked into what might have been the initial concept for a project.
He worked with his team, considered suggestions, and was always looking for better ways.

I used to watch Walt Disney on the 'Wonderful Word of Disney' show on TV.
He seemed sincerely fascinated by new concepts and things and did not present them as something that he alone came up with.
He was very much the leader of a professional team and it was the team's job to present him with new and different ideas.
He listened to the team and pushed for better and better approaches.

IMHO, I don't think that Walt Disney would ever be rigid enough to say that things should be done in only the way that he saw them at the initial outset of a complex project.
Tks.

Well said!:wave: I agree fully....if Walt were to have seen what a headache E.P.C.O.T CITY would have been, and that EPCOT Center would have done the same things, thematically, I believe that he would have been pleased.
 

Figment632

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They SERIOUSLY need something connecting DAK, TTC and MGM. Seriously. Busses are NOT DISNEY QUALITY.:dazzle:
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Agreed The Monorail would be perfect too far for the TTA. SO connect DHS and Epcot with a TTA then connect DHS and DAK with the mono. That way all parks are connected.

EX.

If you want to go to MK to DAK, take the Monorail to EC then Transfer to the TTA and go to DHS. Then Take the Monorail to DAK.
 

EPCOT Explorer

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They SERIOUSLY need something connecting DAK, TTC and MGM. Seriously. Busses are NOT DISNEY QUALITY.:dazzle:

Agreed The Monorail would be perfect too far for the TTA. SO connect DHS and Epcot with a TTA then connect DHS and DAK with the mono. That way all parks are connected.

EX.

If you want to go to MK to DAK, take the Monorail to EC then Transfer to the TTA and go to DHS. Then Take the Monorail to DAK.

Whatever it takes. :dazzle: Just no more busses...please...:brick:
 

ChrisFL

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Disney won't ever expand the Monorails...I would bet money on that...

You have to consider the foundations to make the tracks, the stations, and the fact that the service area is well behind MK, so they would have to either have a very elaborate track switching sequence or build another service area...that would be WELL beyond the budget that Disney would spend.

However, new technologies like Personal Rapid Transport could definitely be made to work for the parks and resorts, much lower costs, more efficient, underground supports wouldn't need to be as strong, and they could provide constant access to a vehicle instead of waiting several minutes for a monorail.
 

EPCOT Explorer

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Disney won't ever expand the Monorails...I would bet money on that...

You have to consider the foundations to make the tracks, the stations, and the fact that the service area is well behind MK, so they would have to either have a very elaborate track switching sequence or build another service area...that would be WELL beyond the budget that Disney would spend.

However, new technologies like Personal Rapid Transport could definitely be made to work for the parks and resorts, much lower costs, more efficient, underground supports wouldn't need to be as strong, and they could provide constant access to a vehicle instead of waiting several minutes for a monorail.
Yeah, I know that the Mono is long gone for WDW. But, you are right....a new TTA would be very nice to implement.
 

Figment632

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Yeah, I know that the Mono is long gone for WDW. But, you are right....a new TTA would be very nice to implement.

I think the best place to test the TTA out as a real transportation system would be to connect DHS and EPCOT. It would be faster than the boats and distance wise it is far enough for a test.
 

EPCOT Explorer

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I think the best place to test the TTA out as a real transportation system would be to connect DHS and EPCOT. It would be faster than the boats and distance wise it is far enough for a test.

I hate those boats. :lol:...I could have swam to the Int'l Gateway and still gotten there faster. :lol:
 

Figment632

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I hate those boats. :lol:...I could have swam to the Int'l Gateway and still gotten there faster. :lol:

And you would have beat the boat I walk there all the time while my family takes the boat and I always beat them but this is where they should test it out. If it works here then take a bigger risk and extend it to DAK and DTD.
 

Figment632

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I agree, a phased plan starting with that would be good

Agreed it should be a lot cheper than the monorail, it runs at like 99% efficency, It would increase guest flow between the parks, and Walt always wanted it to be a transportation system.

One question is where would it run and where would the stations be?

For EC the best place for the station would be the International Gate way were the round about for the old tram service. Then have a station at the front of DHS?
 

ChrisFL

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For EC the best place for the station would be the International Gate way were the round about for the old tram service. Then have a station at the front of DHS?

Well, lets say people were at MK and wanted to go to DHS...they would hop the monorail to EC, but then how would they get to the international gateway without walking through EC first?

That's the only drawback I see
 

Figment632

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Well, lets say people were at MK and wanted to go to DHS...they would hop the monorail to EC, but then how would they get to the international gateway without walking through EC first?

That's the only drawback I see

Good Point and a simple solution, have a station at the front of EC as well that stops at the INternational gate way and then proceeds to DHS.

Or have a station in the front of EC, then Have one at The Boardwalk, then to DHS.
 

EPCOT Explorer

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Agreed it should be a lot cheper than the monorail, it runs at like 99% efficency, It would increase guest flow between the parks, and Walt always wanted it to be a transportation system.

One question is where would it run and where would the stations be?

For EC the best place for the station would be the International Gate way were the round about for the old tram service. Then have a station at the front of DHS?


Well, lets say people were at MK and wanted to go to DHS...they would hop the monorail to EC, but then how would they get to the international gateway without walking through EC first?

That's the only drawback I see


Loop around the park, or follow OFF the mono track. :D
 
Nice ideas, but what about resorts? Just curious how will they connect to the parks. A stop for every resort?

Thats what the busses do so well. As well as the boats. They connect the resorts to the parks. And make it easier for the guests that dont have cars.
 

EPCOT Explorer

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Nice ideas, but what about resorts? Just curious how will they connect to the parks. A stop for every resort?

Thats what the busses do so well. As well as the boats. They connect the resorts to the parks. And make it easier for the guests that dont have cars.

Make the stations close to the resorts, I guess and have people walk? Much like in the EPCOT City plan.:shrug:
 

Figment632

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Nice ideas, but what about resorts? Just curious how will they connect to the parks. A stop for every resort?

Thats what the busses do so well. As well as the boats. They connect the resorts to the parks. And make it easier for the guests that dont have cars.

Have one station at the Board walk if you want but there really is no need for it, those resorts are so close to EC.
 

Bulldog1653

Active Member
Hello all,

After a somewhat lengthy absence, I found this thread and decided to offer my opinion.
Many of you have mentioned the severe problems regarding buses and other transportation. I have to say that I am in complete agreement. The bus system is pathetic and that is being kind. We were there in September 2008 and stayed at Port Orleans Riverside. Unfortunately, we were forced to ride the buses and we noticed that they showed up whenever they felt like it and were on no set schedule.
First and foremost, let's look at some of the major disadvantages of the bus system.
  1. Limited passenger capacity. At an average of 65-80 people with limited seating, it makes the ride with that kind many people on board uncomfortable.
  2. Fuel consumption. If you figure a full tank of Diesel/Biodiesel fuel per bus at an average of $80 per tank per bus (fueled daily), the costs to maintain this kind of fleet is staggering.
  3. Danger prone. The stations for these buses always have a risk of someone being injured or even killed. Someone could step in front of one and it's all over.
  4. Environmental impact. Does anyone care to guess just how much exhaust gets sent into the air daily?
Here's the big advantages of a monorail expansion:
  1. Much more environmentally friendly. The trains operate on electrical power and therefore there is no exhaust.
  2. Passenger capacity for a 6 car monorail train is 365 passengers. That translates to reduced wait times.
  3. Elevated beams/tracks. This is another big point. The monorails ride on elevated beams and as a result they don't contribute to the traffic jams on the roads.
  4. July 2009 was the first and only fatality on a monorail system that has been in continuous operation for 38 years. There is no bus system that I know of that can match that good of a safety record.
The biggest drawbacks for the monorail expansion are twofold: Time and Money

The money problem is the obvious issue here. In 1971, the cost to build a monorail system was roughly $1 Million per mile. It's considerably more today. The time factor is another big one. It would probably take close to 5 years to have an expanded monorail system that would be able to stop at all of the resorts, parks, and perhaps even the airport (yes that has been discussed). The environmental impact as I mentioned before would be minimal. The beams would be elevated so there would be no need for extensive excavation or land clearing like there would be for a railroad system.

Somebody brought up an interesting question about how it would work with stops, etc. My suggestion would be general stations at the major resort clumps. The Boardwalk area was mentioned and, as it was correctly pointed out, it sits just outside of EPCOT. Let me ask a dumb question: What about the people wo do NOT want to go to EPCOT and want to go to someplace like the Animal Kingdom? That justifies a station by itself.
Here's the big thing I would STRONGLY suggest for Disney to consider: If there is only going to be a minimal expansion, then run a line to Animal Kingdom from the Ticket Center.
This could be done using a similar layout to EPCOT's. Put a long loop over the park so that the trains can simply be facing the opposite direction when they drop off passengers. You build the station where the buses drop people off now.
 

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