Is Carousel of Progress closing?

Should the Carousel of Progress close?


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Goofyernmost

Well-Known Member
I was just at WDW Dec5-11 of course Carousel was not working and I not sure what they are doing with that attraction if not removing the attraction upgrade it or refurbish what is an icon to when wdw opened in the 80's. Honesty I loved the ride why remove it but like any other good attraction even 20,000 was taken out. I think eventually Carousel will be gone.

You say that like it is common for CoP to be closed. Not so! It was closed almost all the time when it was listed as "seasonal", but, since then has been running every day and every time I have been there, it was slowly going around in circles like always.
 

Rpearson

New Member
I do enjoy Carousel of Progress, not gonna lie, but it does need some help. The Future scene is need of an update, that goes without saying. Despite that shortcoming, it dosen't bother me nearly as much as Epcot as a whole does. I would like to see Carousel of Progress preserved and updated.
Disney World isnt a museum, thats true. But having that connection to Walt is just something special i think a little love could solve. Im sure in time it will recieive that love from the creative team :)
 

PalisadesPkteer

Active Member
Are the rumors about CoP closing at the end of 2013 true? Yes, yes they actually are. And even the Spirit has some interesting Spirited sources. (Though I believe I heard even Tom-screen technology-Fitzgerald himself has become bored with the attraction.)

Let's look at the CoP and how Disney fanboys say Disney Parks are not/shouldn't be museums.

As well as my affordable solution to "fixing" the CoP.

The Carousel of Progress is the only rotating theatre show in the world. At one time there were three of them, each one a Disney creation: CoP, America Sings, and Meet the World at Tokyo Disneyland.

It is the oldest attraction in all of WDW, predating the resort's 1971 opening. It is the only attraction at WDW to have been physically and directly worked on by Walt Disney himself. The other attractions to open at WDW in 1971 were also worked on by Walt's original team of Imagineers, but he was dead by the time the MK attractions were being created.

The CoP is the only Disney attraction to move twice. From NY to CA, and then from CA to FL.

It is true that Walt enjoyed working on the CoP, whether it was his favorite or not would have depended on what Imagineer was alive at the time to tell you their side of the story.

I think with Walt's health crippling, the CoP became a reflection of his life's mission...an attraction that reflects on our past and helps us teach and learn how far we've come while giving us hope for a better tomorrow.

The CoP and Lincoln were the first Disney attractions to use Human AA Figures. The CoP was also the first to use realistic dog and cat AA's. The first three acts, not significantly altered from their original 1964 look, are full of genuine antiques props and decor.

So...with all this history, can CoP fit into a Disney park today? Absolutely. When Disneyland and even the MK first opened, they were both American History parks. It took years before their Tomorrowlands became briefly futuristic, and that was only a 1/5 futuristic part of a park that was mainly about the past or classic fantasy stories that take place in the past.

Also look at the way WDW has been marketed for a full generation: family, friends, magical moments, childhood nostalgia, wishes, yearning for hope. The CoP easily fits into this relevant marketing category.

If we look at the physical side of the MK, do we need not see what a museum the MK has become? They are running an evening parade from the 1970s that will be replaced by an evening parade from 1992. Their fireworks show is from 2003. Their afternoon parade floats in some cases date back to the 90s and 80s.

The MK still has Swiss Family, a retro Tiki Room 2.0 show, the fantasy/18th and 19th century safari adventure called the jungle cruise, Pirates of the Caribbean that takes place way back when, a frontierland with fantasy-like singing bears (Though I saw some singing bears in the parking lot of a Publix in Palm Beach one time)

Tom Sawyer Island, HM which takes place in the post colonial era. Liberty Square, and Fantasyland.

So now, we have Tomorrowland..a land that was never completed in 1994 and half of it is still cosmetically stuck in the 1970s.

The land is a total mish-mash of random attractions; there is no central spaceport theme. They sort of did that with the 2009 Space Mountain refurb, but it tends to get lost.

Can the CoP fit in the MK in 2012 and beyond? Certainly. Especially with the amount of nostalgic, fantasy-themed, and family oriented, childhood-like attractions already there.

How does the CoP stay relevant? It already used an incredible rotating theatre and features a likeable cast of characters, but the show is stuck in 1994. The animatronics, sound, and light aren't working correctly. The script is terrible. The main actor can't sing at all. The show looks tired and unkept to first time or occasional guests. It has lost it's wow factor because of the way it is maintained and it's lack of promotion or advertising. It sits in the corner of tomorrowland and with it's high load capacity, it generates a very small line, causing people to even wonder if the ride is open.

How do we fix the CoP? Do what Space Mountain is doing with this starport theme or hopefully do what Tomorrowland 94 tried to do...an intergalactic community.

With a brand new preshow and with the help of advertising and promotion, not only could Disney promote this ride through more fan communities and events like D23 they can also promote it to a wider audience online and through SOCIAL MEDIA.

My idea for a reimagined Carousel of Progress has it reopening on April 22, 2014...it's 50th anniversary. With a social media campaign taking place before that.

The new backstory is that the CoP was created by a great human imagineer and inventor called Walt Disney, years and years later the ride then went on to the intergalactic fair and is now being promoted by the tomorrowland metro retro historical society. The CoP would be desguised as a UFO, to make it look like the show is contained inside the UFO and is shipped around the galaxy on tour to show what human life back then was like and what it may be like in the future.

This would all be explained in the 4-5 preshow.

Inside, a repainted and refreshened theatre, a 4-5 minute preshow plays on a movie screen surrounded by curtains and mood lighting. As people exit and are seated, they learn more about the attraction. A remastered version of the 1964 orchestral soundtrack plays in the background. The movie screen then morphs into a digital display (Like what was done at Disney Parks' recent exhibit: carousel of projects) into the 1964 GE kaleidophonic screens. A new cast of voices are hired as the family. Acts 1-4 are similar to what they were at the 1964 world's fair. By turning the stage of the unload theatre into another act, Act 5, this bonus ending is showing how the tomorrowland metro retro historical society thinks humans may be in the future compared to act 4 and how walt disney saw it during the world's fair. This last scene can always be updated when needed, and everytime a new cast of voices is needed, they just read off the set-in-stone script for acts 1-4, plus the new script for act 5 so that their voices are included in every scene.

The CoP will never go to Epcot. At most, if it is removed, I do hope that Acts 1-3 find homes in museums or preserved somehow.

I feel the CoP is very relevant in the MK today, but needs TLC badly.

All of this is spot on! They do not need to take it out / destroy it, they need to just update it somewhat.
 

Rasvar

Well-Known Member
The biggest problem with COP is the story now jumps through too much unfamiliar territory. Recall when it first started, you had simple 20 year jumps. Even at 40 years back, a lot of the audience was able to recognize it in their life. Now it jumps from the 1940's to the 2000's (and not even a good representation of the 2000's anymore). Maybe a re-imaging could be a simple as going from 20 year jumps to 40 year jumps. Go 1900 to 1940 to 1980 to 2020. Keep the same idea but modernize it. Bring it to a time that the audience can connect with. the other option is to keep the 20 year jump and start in the 1960's where the original COP left off. See if you can get Apple to sponsor it.
 

Goofyernmost

Well-Known Member
The biggest problem with COP is the story now jumps through too much unfamiliar territory. Recall when it first started, you had simple 20 year jumps. Even at 40 years back, a lot of the audience was able to recognize it in their life. Now it jumps from the 1940's to the 2000's (and not even a good representation of the 2000's anymore). Maybe a re-imaging could be a simple as going from 20 year jumps to 40 year jumps. Go 1900 to 1940 to 1980 to 2020. Keep the same idea but modernize it. Bring it to a time that the audience can connect with. the other option is to keep the 20 year jump and start in the 1960's where the original COP left off. See if you can get Apple to sponsor it.
I don't recall it ever trying to fit completely into everyone's experience. Wasn't it a show that was designed to show where we came from and where we might possibly go. It doesn't and shouldn't have to only cover areas of life that we have lived. We already know that part. There are now at least a couple of generations that have no idea what life was like previous to the present. Whether it be just past or distant past, it is interesting and eye opening to many, many people, especially kids.

To keep flogging this dead horse, I think that all that has to happen to CoP is an upgrade in AA's but then instead of trying fruitlessly to predict the future, make it a historical indication of what proceeded the present. With a 1994 ending (or whatever it is) it is already set to do just that. Also, unless they get another sponsor that wants there mission statement expressed, I'd even return it to the include the "Now is the Best Time" part of it. Easily done. Just keep Great Big Beautiful Tomorrow for every scene except that the load curtain and unload curtain playing Now is the Time indicating that we live in a time that could be considered to be NITBT, then scenes leading us into the next step accompanied by GBBT and, just like magic, you have a current, historical attraction that remains a tribute to Walt and his life's accomplishments.
 

Rasvar

Well-Known Member
I don't recall it ever trying to fit completely into everyone's experience. Wasn't it a show that was designed to show where we came from and where we might possibly go. It doesn't and shouldn't have to only cover areas of life that we have lived. We already know that part. There are now at least a couple of generations that have no idea what life was like previous to the present. Whether it be just past or distant past, it is interesting and eye opening to many, many people, especially kids.

To keep flogging this dead horse, I think that all that has to happen to CoP is an upgrade in AA's but then instead of trying fruitlessly to predict the future, make it a historical indication of what proceeded the present. With a 1994 ending (or whatever it is) it is already set to do just that. Also, unless they get another sponsor that wants there mission statement expressed, I'd even return it to the include the "Now is the Best Time" part of it. Easily done. Just keep Great Big Beautiful Tomorrow for every scene except that the load curtain and unload curtain playing Now is the Time indicating that we live in a time that could be considered to be NITBT, then scenes leading us into the next step accompanied by GBBT and, just like magic, you have a current, historical attraction that remains a tribute to Walt and his life's accomplishments.

I was talking about the original original designed for the 1964 Worlds Fair in NYC. You could have a whole generation of family on the attraction with the older member of the family being able to tell the youngest that "this was the way it was for us at your age". It was showing the progress that had happened in that short period of time. This is why I think you can redo it to make the same scenario relevant for today's families but still have it be the proper nod to Walt Disney. The mere fact that the Carosusel of Progress has progressed over the years would be a simple nod. The preshow can be all about the original show and how the new show is a tribute in the same style but updated to show the progress from the 1960's, when the show first premiered, to the present day. There is so much that can be shown. Rotary phone to wireless. The evolution of the TV. How lighting has changed. The growth of the computer at home. Manual vacuuming to the Roomba. Just so much progress has occurred since 1960 or 1940 that it would make a perfect revival while keeping the spirit of what Walt was trying to show and not being a historical relic but a real attraction where grandparents could say to their grandchildren "that was the way it was for us at your age".
 

Goofyernmost

Well-Known Member
I was talking about the original original designed for the 1964 Worlds Fair in NYC. You could have a whole generation of family on the attraction with the older member of the family being able to tell the youngest that "this was the way it was for us at your age". It was showing the progress that had happened in that short period of time. This is why I think you can redo it to make the same scenario relevant for today's families but still have it be the proper nod to Walt Disney. The mere fact that the Carosusel of Progress has progressed over the years would be a simple nod. The preshow can be all about the original show and how the new show is a tribute in the same style but updated to show the progress from the 1960's, when the show first premiered, to the present day. There is so much that can be shown. Rotary phone to wireless. The evolution of the TV. How lighting has changed. The growth of the computer at home. Manual vacuuming to the Roomba. Just so much progress has occurred since 1960 or 1940 that it would make a perfect revival while keeping the spirit of what Walt was trying to show and not being a historical relic but a real attraction where grandparents could say to their grandchildren "that was the way it was for us at your age".
I have to disagree in part on that. CoP was created in 1964. I agree that there were still people around that lived through the turn of the century, but I doubt that they were at the Worlds Fair or were old enough during that era to really remember it clearly. But it is a small point. It is futile to keep attempting to continuiously update and redo it. It's not going to happen so if they can't make it into a historic attraction with their full support, I guess they might just as well make it a stroller parking area. It would work out well, sort of like the Dry Cleaners. You park the stroller in a certain row and as the building comes around you snatch your stroller off the floor and be on your way to the nearest "new" thrill ride. Welcome to "Walt Disney's Carousel of Strollers".
 

Rasvar

Well-Known Member
I have to disagree in part on that. CoP was created in 1964. I agree that there were still people around that lived through the turn of the century, but I doubt that they were at the Worlds Fair or were old enough during that era to really remember it clearly. But it is a small point. It is futile to keep attempting to continuiously update and redo it. It's not going to happen so if they can't make it into a historic attraction with their full support, I guess they might just as well make it a stroller parking area. It would work out well, sort of like the Dry Cleaners. You park the stroller in a certain row and as the building comes around you snatch your stroller off the floor and be on your way to the nearest "new" thrill ride. Welcome to "Walt Disney's Carousel of Strollers".

Well, I will correct you. I have no idea who you think went to Worlds Fair or if you ever went to one. You're saying that some 50 or 60 years old could not remember what it was like growing up as a kid? Even those in their 40's could look at the 20's and see familiar items. Trust me, many of the people who went to the Worlds Fair were older and went as families.

Who ever said to continuously update? There is no reason that what I stated would not work for 10-20 years without having to have a major upgrade. In this case, a historic attraction would be a dead attraction. So if you want it go, just continue to go that direction. I'd rather see it get a real update. It is essentially the same show it was in 1964. It has gone almost 50 years with a major update! Changing the end scene or a new song is not a major update. I am the first person who wants to preserve history in Disney but to try to keep this attraction as it is will be its death. Make a massive real update, modernize it and maintain the historical link as a legacy of 50 years. Otherwise, it is the stroller parking you are talking about five years down the road. The difference between you and me is that you already concede that the stroller parking has to happen and I think using some actually vision can avoid it. While what you say is more likely, I still hope that it doesn't happen. So, if you want to continue to argue for death of COP, I will just ignore that will I argue for a rebirth of COP until it is no longer there.
 

jmuboy

Well-Known Member
Here is my completely outlandish, yet very easy with a little money, idea for CoP.











Move it to EPCOT. Its a perfect attraction for that park. Here is how it would work.
The Communicore / Innoventions Plaza Area becomes “Progress City”
Progress City tells the story innovation and inventions and how they have changed our lives and how they will continue to impact our lives.
Gut the Innoventions exhibits in East Innoventions where Backstage Magic used to be. The back side of the building near Universe of Energy might have to be opened up/demolished to allow for a new round theater profile to fit properly in the facility. Relocate CoP here to this now empty space. Reuse all the CoP show parts, AA’s, props, set pieces, theater seats, etc from the CoP that can possibly be reused/rehabbed. We want the show to be as authentic as possible. Restore all the scenes so they are fully functional. The final scene / theater would thank guests for coming and invite then to see how we continue to make progress and see what new inventions “companies are creating to make our lives easier even today”
So in Progress City the CoP tells us where inventions of the past have taken us and made our lives better and Innoventions tells us where inventions and innovations of the near future will take us. The whole area would tell a cohesive story pretty easily and in Disney terms inexpensively. This would also allow CoP to stay “frozen in time” as it is and yet still be relevant to the story it was telling.
Also:
1 – Electric Umbrella becomes Innovator’s Cafeteria. As part of a minor face-lift to the facility huge digital screens will be added throughout highlighting famous innovators through time and their most famous creations / inventions.
2 – Pin Central becomes Progress City Pin Traders (gotta pay for moving the CoP somehow)
3 – All Innoventions Exhibits are consolidated into the West Innoventions Building. Addition space would come from either the long empty hall on the south end of the building or moving Cool Zone to a new facility (Coke Cool Zone would work better in World Showcase anyway in one of the dead areas between pavilions. It could go where Refreshment Port is for example.
4 – Fountain View Starbucks, Character Spot and Mouse Gears all stay pretty much as is
 

PhotoDave219

Well-Known Member
I've read, and MANY places, I may add, that have said that at the end of 2013, Carousal of Progress is closing! I never heard it here, though, or any other place I constantly am checking anymore. Does anyone know the true fate of the Carousal? -Kelly

Can you share with the class one of these places you read this?
 

djlaosc

Well-Known Member
Can you share with the class one of these places you read this?

Post 4 in this thread has a comment from WDW1974 from December 4th 2012:
http://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads/is-carousel-of-progress-closing.856836/#post-5234566

WDW1974 said this on Tuesday...

The first part is VERY troubling given that TDO is looking to shutter CoP in the near future. But, again, this is their MO. You don't update attractions, you don't maintain them, you don't advertise them and then you use the lower guest counts as an excuse to do what you always wanted to do to begin with.
 

misterID

Well-Known Member
WDW1974 said:
The first part is VERY troubling given that TDO is looking to shutter CoP in the near future. But, again, this is their MO. You don't update attractions, you don't maintain them, you don't advertise them and then you use the lower guest counts as an excuse to do what you always wanted to do to begin with.​

^^That's exactly what happened to Horizons! First they get the sequel now they're going to bring down the prequel. Man, TDO blows :(
 

John

Well-Known Member
Here is my completely outlandish, yet very easy with a little money, idea for CoP.


I honestly....truly love this idea. It fits better, has much more appeal. I think it will garner more guest. Dosnt cost that much. A complete win win for everyone.But you know what? Thats not how Disney operates. Its been a long time since TDO has made much sense.







Move it to EPCOT. Its a perfect attraction for that park. Here is how it would work.
The Communicore / Innoventions Plaza Area becomes “Progress City”
Progress City tells the story innovation and inventions and how they have changed our lives and how they will continue to impact our lives.
Gut the Innoventions exhibits in East Innoventions where Backstage Magic used to be. The back side of the building near Universe of Energy might have to be opened up/demolished to allow for a new round theater profile to fit properly in the facility. Relocate CoP here to this now empty space. Reuse all the CoP show parts, AA’s, props, set pieces, theater seats, etc from the CoP that can possibly be reused/rehabbed. We want the show to be as authentic as possible. Restore all the scenes so they are fully functional. The final scene / theater would thank guests for coming and invite then to see how we continue to make progress and see what new inventions “companies are creating to make our lives easier even today”
So in Progress City the CoP tells us where inventions of the past have taken us and made our lives better and Innoventions tells us where inventions and innovations of the near future will take us. The whole area would tell a cohesive story pretty easily and in Disney terms inexpensively. This would also allow CoP to stay “frozen in time” as it is and yet still be relevant to the story it was telling.
Also:
1 – Electric Umbrella becomes Innovator’s Cafeteria. As part of a minor face-lift to the facility huge digital screens will be added throughout highlighting famous innovators through time and their most famous creations / inventions.
2 – Pin Central becomes Progress City Pin Traders (gotta pay for moving the CoP somehow)
3 – All Innoventions Exhibits are consolidated into the West Innoventions Building. Addition space would come from either the long empty hall on the south end of the building or moving Cool Zone to a new facility (Coke Cool Zone would work better in World Showcase anyway in one of the dead areas between pavilions. It could go where Refreshment Port is for example.
4 – Fountain View Starbucks, Character Spot and Mouse Gears all stay pretty much as is
 

Clever Name

Well-Known Member
I would like to see the white family in CoP replaced with an African American family. The story would be changed to reflect the many years of segregation and racial discrimination suffered by black Americans during the entire 20th century.
 

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