Is attendance really down at WDW this or…

Disstevefan1

Disstevefan1

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networkpro said:
In effect, that's what they've done for everything except food so far. When added to reducing the coverage of DAS, in effect it has reduced "congestion" .

Not necessarily in the manner most would want (that being the elasticity of perpetual expansion) but its working as referenced by the effect on the bottom line: increased profitability with reduced attendance.
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Food goes up in peak times too. One example we always notice is the buffet at Germany goes higher at peak times.
 
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Lilofan

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Disstevefan1 said:
Maybe I do not understand this post but WDW already has different pricing; higher pricing for peak times for EVERYTHING.
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I just mentioned NYC is initiating congestion pricing not that WDW will be doing the same. A number of NYC people having been complaining about the pollution the cars give off and the number of cars that congestion the NYC roads. As a solution to “ease “ the congestion the city will charge the incoming cars coming into NYC from others parts - congestion pricing.
 
monothingie

monothingie

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Laketravis said:
Yup. I can tell you there is an abundance of ADR availability, resort pools are relatively empty, buses and monorails are just moments away, there are no lines at concessions and few people are paying $6 plus for Costco samples at Epcot.

Yet attraction queues are more indicative of much busier times - thank God it's NOT crowded 😁

And VQ's need to be abolished.
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I just rebooked my Thanksgiving Weekend trip because mysteriously a whole bunch of AP discount inventory suddenly appeared.

Go figure...
 
Laketravis

Laketravis

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Disstevefan1 said:
Food goes up in peak times too. One example we always notice is the buffet at Germany goes higher at peak times.
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A couple of weeks ago I pulled up Whispering Canyon and the brunch platter prices showed $34 (I'm used to $26). When we went the next day the paper menus still showed $26. I pulled the website menu up again later that day and it was back to $26.
 
Laketravis

Laketravis

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monothingie said:
I just rebooked my Thanksgiving Weekend trip because mysteriously a whole bunch of AP discount inventory suddenly appeared.

Go figure...
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Saw that. We debated staying another week since our AP's are good until 12/3 but decided we're done and heading to the airport today.

Besides, we've logged over 200,000 steps this trip 😆
 
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Grimley1968

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$9 or more for a single beer is more than I consider to be in range for the worst sort of profiteering. Sports venues always seem to charge this, or more for single beers, even in relatively low cost areas in the midwest and south, which is ridiculous and one of the reasons tailgating is so popular before sporting events.

If a bartender, even at WDW, tried to gouge me for $3 on top of that, rest assured I'd be walking away too.
 
Mr. Sullivan

Mr. Sullivan

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Sirwalterraleigh said:
It’s not true

We can discuss park trends - and do - without “it feels mobbed TO ME” when TWDC has been forced to publicly state the opposite to investors.

This is black and white in a grey world.

I’m not offended…I assume most that say this don’t have the background knowledge to understand the history of park design and crowd flow…or they’re forgetting on purpose to not acknowledge they hate the prices, policies and line chaos for profit just as much as vocal critics.

But there’s no need to be contrarian for the sake of a corporate monolith who is not doing too hot.

I’ll remind: this is very similar to the “it’s worth it to ME” crap that spiraled out of control and got us to the current level of park disgruntlement in Florida. By far the worst in its history. And the only trick that Bob - who should have already been fired - can keep trying to pull. The customer should never help with that. That’s not our role.
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May I ask what has made you so much of an expert on this that no one else's point of view is acceptable in this discussion?

Again, no one is refuting attendance is down. The numbers don't lie. What is being refuted is people acting like the parks are on death's door, deserted, and that everyone who is going is miserable. The parks are not on death's door (you're kidding yourself if you think they haven't been in worse physical and financial shape before). Yes, attendance is down. Yes, the reasons for it are rather obvious. No, they're not in the worst shape they've ever been. No they're not collapsing right before our very eyes.

You're right, we can't argue with numbers. But you're not just talking about numbers. You're directly tearing down real people's real experiences simply because those experiences don't fit into the narrative you're wanting to tell of desolate deserted theme parks that are on their knees begging to be put down.

I don't doubt that you've probably got some knowledge on the logistics of things that others do not, but you're speaking of this whole thing in such a hyperbolic way that it's hard to take you seriously.
 
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DisneyCane

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Laketravis said:
And configure the Standby queues to look longer than they actually are.
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Except for the post COVID period, I don't think I've ever seen the switchbacks right before the LL merge in FoP used. If they used those, it would greatly reduce the times when the queue extends outside the building. A few months ago we got absolutely soaked because it started pouring when we were about 30 feet from the building entrance. If they were using those switchbacks we would have been inside before the rain started.
 

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