Is attendance really down at WDW this or…

Chi84

Chi84

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celluloid said:
Whether you go there or not, that is the competition in the market, so Disney is not going to go below that. Market speaking, their cost of admission is right on the money. Operationally once there, it is not.

So their admission prices are not egregious for their market, it is what people are seeing the value in after going.

Yes, giving tips to people who people who have never been, or not have not been in a while. 2018 to now is a very different world at Walt Disney World. 2010 to now is vastly different in planning.
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I would imagine that very few people expect a place like WDW to be the same as in 2010 or 2018. If you’re talking about people who buy tickets first and then find out they need dining reservations or that the parks close early for Christmas parties, that information is readily available on the website, from travel agents and just general news sources. Also, dining reservations to popular places have been required since I can remember and the I think the parks started closing early for parties in the ‘90’s.
 
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celluloid

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Chi84 said:
I would imagine that very few people expect a place like WDW to be the same as in 2010 or 2018. If you’re talking about people who buy tickets first and then find out they need dining reservations or that the parks close early for Christmas parties, that information is readily available on the website, from travel agents and just general news sources. Also, dining reservations to popular places have been required since I can remember and the I think the parks started closing early for parties in the ‘90’s.
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Much more limited than the ratio prior. This is part of what changed since 2018.

The infrastructure.

Making the most with lowest amount of staffing possible has taken an extreme with real time data being very different. The bigger reason behind the investment of "nextgen" media and day specific ticketing and reservations.
 
networkpro

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LSLS

LSLS

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LittleBuford said:
Not really. Why would one have to have planned their park itinerary before purchasing park tickets? I don’t.
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Wait really? I mean, I get now that you've been. But if you are thinking of going to a new place for the first time, you don't do a bunch of research on what is there, how you would go around, best things to do, etc.? I mean when we went on a cruise for the first time, I had looked into the kids areas, the pools, bars, things to do, where they go, what the ports are like (including where to go, what to avoid), the shows, and the dining before I even looked at potential dates let alone bought tickets.

I mean, I don't disagree that if someone has already bought, I'd give my own advice on places to eat, where to go when, and a lot to avoid, but I just can't imagine a first time person just buying tickets on a whim without asking for any advice/planning some things.
 
LittleBuford

LittleBuford

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LSLS said:
Wait really? I mean, I get now that you've been. But if you are thinking of going to a new place for the first time, you don't do a bunch of research on what is there, how you would go around, best things to do, etc.? I mean when we went on a cruise for the first time, I had looked into the kids areas, the pools, bars, things to do, where they go, what the ports are like (including where to go, what to avoid), the shows, and the dining before I even looked at potential dates let alone bought tickets.

I mean, I don't disagree that if someone has already bought, I'd give my own advice on places to eat, where to go when, and a lot to avoid, but I just can't imagine a first time person just buying tickets on a whim without asking for any advice/planning some things.
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I don’t expect a person who’s bought, say, a three-day Park Hopper ticket to have planned out their itinerary for each day before making their purchase. Just look at this very forum, which is full of planning questions from people who’ve already booked their trips.
 
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Nevermore525

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LittleBuford said:
I don’t expect a person who’s bought, say, a three-day Park Hopper ticket to have planned out their itinerary for each day before making their purchase. Just look at this very forum, which is full of planning questions from people who’ve already booked their trips.
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Just bought those exact tickets this week for my trip in June.

As someone who previously was the one booking all the ADRs, FP+ I appreciate not having to over structure a Disney trip before I even get there.
 
IanDLBZF

IanDLBZF

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wdwmagic said:

Disney CEO Bob Iger says that theme park demand is softening from peak post-COVID travel​

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Disney CEO Bob Iger says that theme park demand is softening from peak post-COVID travel

Disney CEO Bob Iger says that theme park demand is softening from peak post-COVID travel
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I’m not sure if this is going to be the case, but does anyone else think that the Boycotts, Divestments, and Sanctions (BDS) movement is going to have a major impact on Park attendance?
 
AEfx

AEfx

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Basil of Baker Street said:
So was D+ actually profitable or can they push D+ loses to other sectors somehow? Can companies play shell games? I'm asking as I don't understand the ins and outs.
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The "failure" of streaming was just misinformation and was frankly way too early to call.

As some of us have been saying here for ages, Disney in particular is in the strongest position, second only really to Netflix (and the latter just due to its long-standing as the grand-daddy of the industry).

The reason streaming had such losses for a few years is because every studio WAY overspent on content, making big splashy deals and spending lavishly, in an attempt to compete with each other for subscribers. Like any new business, you have to spend money to make money - and they went full hog on that, and then some.

Streaming is guaranteed monthly revenue, something most studios don't have - Disney being an exception in that they also have the parks. When you do even back of the napkin math, you are talking at least a billion bucks a month reliably coming in from streaming. Now that spending is being reigned in, it absolutely will be profitable and will compete with the parks as the backbone of Disney's finances.
 
erasure fan1

erasure fan1

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AEfx said:
Now that spending is being reigned in, it absolutely will be profitable and will compete with the parks as the backbone of Disney's finances.
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The problem with streaming is you absolutely need to feed the beast. You can reduce spending, but you can't reduce content. I agree, Disney is in a good spot because they can rely on their legacy content. But I think most who want that content are subscribed already. So you need that fresh turn of quality content to keep the churners onboard.
 

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