Is attendance really down at WDW this or…

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jpeden

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In the Parks
No
Nubs70 said:
What could be the implications to WDW if July 4th did not sell out?
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There are no implications per se. But remember that tomorrow’s “sell out” will be significantly fewer people than a phased capacity closure that you are used to in the past. The daily attendance cap for MK has been lowered with Park Pass. This is an example of where park pass somewhat makes sense (you don’t get people at MK on July 4th with tickets who can’t get in).

I would be okay if they kept park pass for times like this and Christmas/new years.
 
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Splash4eva

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jpeden said:
There are no implications per se. But remember that tomorrow’s “sell out” will be significantly fewer people than a phased capacity closure that you are used to in the past. The daily attendance cap for MK has been lowered with Park Pass. This is an example of where park pass somewhat makes sense (you don’t get people at MK on July 4th with tickets who can’t get in).

I would be okay if they kept park pass for times like this and Christmas/new years.
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Park hoppers would still be allowed over there after 2 tho correct?
 
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jpeden

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In the Parks
No
Splash4eva said:
Park hoppers would still be allowed over there after 2 tho correct?
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Hoppers have always been subject to capacity, even before the pandemic. They have the ability to deny people hopping privileges to MK when it is at a phased closure so it’s possible that you may not be able to hop tomorrow. The only way to guarantee entry to MK tomorrow is to have a park pass.

That being said there’s good chance you’ll be able to hop. Just watch the app to see if they push a notification that MK is closed to hopping.
 
TheMaxRebo

TheMaxRebo

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Coaster Lover said:
Like climate change, you can't read into a single event when trying to prove or disprove a trend. You need to look at patterns over a longer period of time to truly make a claim one way or another.

While it seems like they will have a packed 4th of July, the general data over the course of weeks/months seems to suggest that (overall) attendance is down.
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certainly not - though does show there is some demand for some offerings at WDW (in this case the flyover and the special fireworks), also the first MNSSHP just sold out and the after hours events (at least at MK and DHS) have been selling very well.

Just all shows the base offering is not perceived as being as desirable as in the past
 
TheMaxRebo

TheMaxRebo

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jpeden said:
There are no implications per se. But remember that tomorrow’s “sell out” will be significantly fewer people than a phased capacity closure that you are used to in the past. The daily attendance cap for MK has been lowered with Park Pass. This is an example of where park pass somewhat makes sense (you don’t get people at MK on July 4th with tickets who can’t get in).

I would be okay if they kept park pass for times like this and Christmas/new years.
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same - I know when we went to MK on Oct 1, 2021 for the 50th I was glad to have a reservation and know I could get in vs pressure to get there super early and hope it wasn't at capacity, etc

but definitely should just be a rare situation not the norm
 
Disstevefan1

Disstevefan1

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In the old days, attendance was THE measurement of, I guess, of success.

I think the only real measurement of success in the parks should be “per capita spending”

Going all the way to the extreme, if it’s too MOBBED, folks will spend less because the wait for everything is too long and while yes, they took in the money for the ticket, it’s so crowded, folks don’t spend any more money.
 
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FigmentFan82

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What is the percentage again of WDW resorts guests vs everyone else (local day tickets, staying at outside resorts/rentals, etc) for normal park attendance?
 
Nubs70

Nubs70

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jpeden said:
There are no implications per se. But remember that tomorrow’s “sell out” will be significantly fewer people than a phased capacity closure that you are used to in the past. The daily attendance cap for MK has been lowered with Park Pass. This is an example of where park pass somewhat makes sense (you don’t get people at MK on July 4th with tickets who can’t get in).

I would be okay if they kept park pass for times like this and Christmas/new years.
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There would be substantial imitations if the park did not sell out. As failure to sell out would be undeniable evidence that Iger has a big problem.

At best MK had a last minute sell out. What does this tell?
1. Igers target demographic, the once and done family from Denver, is not showing up.
2. P P The sell out is based on local/day trippers, an unfavored demographic.
3. Recent resort occupancy has tilted to the high end offerings.
4. Moderate and Value resorts are under utilized.

The next earnings call will be very interesting. PCGS in respect to total revenue will be very interesting.

I expect:
1. Total Revenue to be down
2. Room occupancy % should be down if % rooms available are consistent or elevated if % rooms available is lower.
 
Vegas Disney Fan

Vegas Disney Fan

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Nubs70 said:
There would be substantial imitations if the park did not sell out. As failure to sell out would be undeniable evidence that Iger has a big problem.

At best MK had a last minute sell out. What does this tell?
1. Igers target demographic, the once and done family from Denver, is not showing up.
2. P P The sell out is based on local/day trippers, an unfavored demographic.
3. Recent resort occupancy has tilted to the high end offerings.
4. Moderate and Value resorts are under utilized.

The next earnings call will be very interesting. PCGS in respect to total revenue will be very interesting.

I expect:
1. Total Revenue to be down
2. Room occupancy % should be down if % rooms available are consistent or elevated if % rooms available is lower.
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Agree with everything you said except total revenue being down, I think the never ending price increases will have made enough to offset the (potential) recent attendance downturn.

That said I wouldn’t be shocked if you are correct, I think the next earnings call is going to be the catalyst for major shakeups and changes.
 
monothingie

monothingie

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IanDLBZF said:
I guess some of you may have spoken too soon....
blogmickey.com

Magic Kingdom Is Sold Out for Fourth of July 2023

Magic Kingdom is completely sold out for the Fourth of July. The Disney Park Pass reservation calendar shows no availability for all tickets
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The Air Force is doing the flyover at The MK that morning. That is the reason for the capacity restrictions. The other parks are not limiting attendance. You will be more than able to park hop to the MK in the afternoon.
 
IanDLBZF

IanDLBZF

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monothingie said:
The Air Force is doing the flyover at The MK that morning. That is the reason for the capacity restrictions. The other parks are not limiting attendance. You will be more than able to park hop to the MK in the afternoon.
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APs should also be able to get in after 2pm without a reservation as well.
 
Sirwalterraleigh

Sirwalterraleigh

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