Is attendance really down at WDW this or…

[monothingie]

Wait times are definitely down. Not sure how much of that is due to the DAS change.

I've heard table-service dining numbers are well into scary-low territory, with well-known and popular places at maybe 50% capacity some nights.

Here's Akershus for 6 pm dinner this past Friday:

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Just quoting this from the DAS thread from @lentesta

 

[monothingie]

The calendar has been shifting for along time

That doesn’t cover ghost towns in the summer

Still much easier to travel with no school

Almost as if the traveling public has caught on to something. What could that be? I wonder?

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I just spent £10k english to travel from uk,
flights for 5
3 Adults 2 kids
14 days tickets (this is roughly £2.8k)
1k dollars of food credits
transfer to and from airport
disney music hotel
$200 gift card

It racks up

If a us traveler wanted 14 days of passes…the “deal” would be annual passes for either $5000or $7500

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Almost as if the traveling public has caught on to something. What could that be? I wonder?

 

[JoeCamel]

It’s time to dump the 9/10 month calendar

I mean…it was designed for farming

It would help Disney…if they don’t continue to try and bankrupt themselves

DST first....

 

[monothingie]

I'm clueless too. Now excuse me I have to mobile order a $9 slice of cardboard pizza.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

DST first....

That’s been on the blocks for years

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I'm clueless too. Now excuse me I have to mobile order a $9 slice of cardboard pizza.

Ungotz!!!

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I am not making an excuse for anyone, I am simply stating that there is more competition than ever for tourist dollars and Disney no longer has those tourists all to themselves as they might have 2 years ago.

I don’t think you’re doing it on purpose…but that is what lying Bob tried to spin last year

“It’s hot”…which never seemed to be much of a problem in Florida for the first 50 years

But also the really awful one:
“We’re so awesome…people ran to us. And it was so awesome…now they have to take time off to recover”

One thing needs time off…the wallet.

 

[LSLS]

Just quoting this from the DAS thread from @lentesta

Honestly I liked Akershus. I liked the food, my daughter loved the Princesses. It was definitely too expensive for what it was, but I could justify it some. That was when it was like $45. It's like $20 a person MORE now.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Honestly I liked Akershus. I liked the food, my daughter loved the Princesses. It was definitely too expensive for what it was, but I could justify it some. That was when it was like $45. It's like $20 a person MORE now.

Some places are wearing those 300%+ price increases in 20 years better than others

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Whoa….. be our guest is $70 for lunch!?!? And the Castle is $84!?

 

[Angel Ariel]

Whoa….. be our guest is $70 for lunch!?!? And the Castle is $84!?

Pretty sure both places went to fixed price menus for both lunch and dinner. Reasons why we won't be going back to either. Character meal interactions are often so short, and neither DD nor I are going to eat all of that food - it's just not worth it.

Now, Plaza Inn breakfast character meal at DLR? Yeah, that's still worth it.

 

[Disstevefan1]

Whoa….. be our guest is $70 for lunch!?!? And the Castle is $84!?

There are less folks in the park, they have to maintain revenue somehow

 

[Club Cooloholic]

I do agree, and. At least in my state, absenteeism rates during school are through the roof. There are state wide initiatives to address it because it's such a big issue across the state. There's at least some hypothesizing that post-Covid, adults aren't as married to waiting for school breaks to travel as they might have been pre-Covid. There's other reasons than vacation also, but vacations are a part of it.

I don’t think you’re doing it on purpose…but that is what lying Bob tried to spin last year

“It’s hot”…which never seemed to be much of a problem in Florida for the first 50 years

But also the really awful one:
“We’re so awesome…people ran to us. And it was so awesome…now they have to take time off to recover”

One thing needs time off…the wallet.

This is a case where I think there is some truth to some things but here's the real problem. They really did have a bunch of people come running to them, but then the product they put out wasn't something that everyone said. Oh, that was such a fantastic experience. I can't wait to go back again now they really blew it. They had a chance to really impress a lot of people and instead they reach for their wallets

 

[Angel Ariel]

This is a case where I think there is some truth to some things but here's the real problem. They really did have a bunch of people come running to them, but then the product they put out wasn't something that everyone said. Oh, that was such a fantastic experience. I can't wait to go back again now they really blew it. They had a chance to really impress a lot of people and instead they reach for their wallets

Agreed wholeheartedly

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

This is a case where I think there is some truth to some things but here's the real problem. They really did have a bunch of people come running to them, but then the product they put out wasn't something that everyone said. Oh, that was such a fantastic experience. I can't wait to go back again now they really blew it. They had a chance to really impress a lot of people and instead they reach for their wallets

Bingo…

But you just said the quiet part outloud

It goes against the house of ego to ever acknowledge that part exists

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Whoa….. be our guest is $70 for lunch!?!? And the Castle is $84!?

Like getting slapped with a wet fish in the face, isn’t it?

I put a picture on a thread of crystal palace at 1:15 in the afternoon a few weeks back…

Dead. Nobody on the verandas and maybe 25% at the tables

Wonder why? Can’t be that they want $64 for a 10 year old to eat, could it?

 

[Angel Ariel]

Wonder why? Can’t be that they want $64 for a 10 year old to eat, could it?

That 10 year olds are considered adults for tickets is bad enough, but for eating it's just. Oy.

 

[Club Cooloholic]

Like getting slapped with a wet fish in the face, isn’t it?

I put a picture on a thread of crystal palace at 1:15 in the afternoon a few weeks back…

Dead. Nobody on the verandas and maybe 25% at the tables

Wonder why? Can’t be that they want $64 for a 10 year old to eat, could it?

Are those dessert parties selling well? My favorite example of both Disney greed and Disney customer gullibility is the Dessert Party at the Christmas Party invention. I like to think there were a bunch of executives sitting around going
Executive 1: Well we are already charging these rubes another $180 bucks for this "party", to stay at the park past 7pm that they could have already conceivably spent $180 to get into earlier that day(and now have less hours). We can't possibly get more money out of a guest than nearly $400 for one day can we?
Executive 2: Hold my beer. Dessert party. That thing we sell during regular days, let's sell that for this too
Executive 1: But don't people buy the party tickets because we tell them the parties are more intimate, less crowded affairs? Why would they need the dessert party, which we sell as a way to avoid the mobs?
Executive 2: Have you seen how many tickets we sell to those parties?
Executive 1: What the hell let's see what dopes buy it, they gotta have that magic experience! $90 bucks and we can put it in Tomorrow Land Terrace, abandoned quick serve becomes Premium viewing location! Let a few YouTubers have it for free to talk it up.