Is attendance really down at WDW this or…

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
It has been the pre-BC BI's stated goal to reduce crowding and he has diligently continued to press forward to achieve that goal.
That was a lie. They just didn’t want you to question paying more

Tomorrow we’ll go over the second page of the Psych 001 textbook
If they really wanted to reduce crowds, they would stop offering ticket deals and resort discounts.
They don’t. Never did. Never will.

Mass model…need masses to profit. Here Endeth it.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
I just checked into what is usually a busy resort to be told, "You're in luck! Your room is ready as the resort is at less than 50% occupancy, which is odd for this time of year, but you'll have a nice quiet stay! Enjoy!" ...
Get the hell outta here.

If you don’t give names…it never happened 🤪
 

Creathir

Premium Member
I just got off the phone with a member from Disney’s corporate office and all I can say is yikes. Just so out of touch with how people tour, what draws them to the parks, and how to win over guests. Every solution offered was something that would tack on 300-500 on a trip. The person had no idea why Magic Kingdom would be a priority over Epcot with little kids. It was like talking to a robot. Guess it’s good my kids are into Mario and we might start Harry Potter, just at that the time when we could think about buying DVC. Guess we need a new magic spot..so annoying..
I’ll bite.

What exactly were you calling the corporate office to setup?

Had you had a problem with booking a trip recently, or were you trying to book a trip?
Just trying to see if there is something one of us could help you with.
 

larryz

I'm Just A Tourist!
Premium Member
I just got off the phone with a member from Disney’s corporate office and all I can say is yikes. Just so out of touch with how people tour, what draws them to the parks, and how to win over guests. Every solution offered was something that would tack on 300-500 on a trip. The person had no idea why Magic Kingdom would be a priority over Epcot with little kids. It was like talking to a robot. Guess it’s good my kids are into Mario and we might start Harry Potter, just at that the time when we could think about buying DVC. Guess we need a new magic spot..so annoying..
Corporate? Or did you call reservations? Sounds like you talked to a reservations agent. And a relatively new one, at that. Did they sound like they were in a non-US location?
 

GhostHost1000

Premium Member
One problem is after hours events keep selling out and MNSSHP and MVMCP will probably be $200pp this year and sell out too.

They allow the day to day parks to become more miserable or stressful to do than before, don’t expand as much as they should, and then have people overpaying for less crowds, or genie+, or dining packages for better seats, etc etc etc

It’s amazing how much things have changed over the years. Loss of hours, experience, food quality, more ride breakdowns and stress than ever before I could go on and on
 

seabreezept813

Well-Known Member
I’ll bite.

What exactly were you calling the corporate office to setup?

Had you had a problem with booking a trip recently, or were you trying to book a trip?
Just trying to see if there is something one of us could help you with.
I sent a lengthy letter about park hours/access. So I wasn’t trying to set anything up just expressing frustration about the way day guests are treated during party seasons when dining/accessing the gift shops etc. I brought up points like barring families from the anchor park multiple nights a week in the summer due to incredibly expensive events with hours that families with younger or older members can’t even last for the full time . I gave several suggestions as well lol. Such as fireworks only options for less charges on these nights. Or just being more aware of not escorting people out from a 300 dollar meal with guards as if they committed a crime. I didn’t even expect a response, but was definitely a bit disturbed that instead of thanks for making us aware they tried to sell me multiple experiences.. park hoppers, Epcot dessert party, etc.
 

seabreezept813

Well-Known Member
I sent a lengthy letter about park hours/access. So I wasn’t trying to set anything up just expressing frustration about the way day guests are treated during party seasons when dining/accessing the gift shops etc. I brought up points like barring families from the anchor park multiple nights a week in the summer due to incredibly expensive events with hours that families with younger or older members can’t even last for the full time . I gave several suggestions as well lol. Such as fireworks only options for less charges on these nights. Or just being more aware of not escorting people out from a 300 dollar meal with guards as if they committed a crime. I didn’t even expect a response, but was definitely a bit disturbed that instead of thanks for making us aware they tried to sell me multiple experiences.. park hoppers, Epcot dessert party, etc.
What was crazy to me was in the same breath this person told me that the current ceo was really working on making the parks better for families.
 

BlakeW39

Well-Known Member
Well yes I do mean infrastructure and I do mean they are starting from a global place of 'behind'.

Yes they took an incredible lead in the early part of last decade, but it was slowly squandered and saved up against Epic Universe. Will they be ahead in 2025? Yes, but that's not yet where we are.

My point is Disney DID respond the last decade. For as much credit as Comcast deserves for the Potter run they had a sub par follow up act and did not maintain their pacing. In large part that's because needed projects like Super Nintendo World were pushed and saved for their third gate.

I still love IOA, USF is now my least favourite park of the six. It most certainly wasn't in 2014. AK is probably my favourite and DHS has come a significantly long way from the bottom of the barrel. Today, I would personally much rather go to WDW. Though I seem to have a less toxic relationship with the resort with more infrequent visits.

I mean, no doubt Universal is playing catch up in terms of infrastructure. WDW is a fully fledged resort with 4 theme parks, 2 water parks, innumerable hotels, a large shopping district, etc. Comcast is trying to build themselves up to that level and EU is the next step they're taking towards that goal.

But Disney is definitely the reactive one here. It was Universal's large scale investment that caused Disney to invest in turn. Not the other way around

And EU will again catch Disney off their game and may cause them to invest in a similar manner over the coming decade or so.

USF is also my least favorite park in Orlando by the way, and DAK is also my favorite. And I also really like IOA. I agree with what you're saying but, I think it's important to make the distinction that Comcast is the proactive one here. Disney is purely reactive and responding to what Comcast is doing in their parks.

I also think the stategies Disney has used to 'respond' have largely been stupid and short sighted.
 

James Alucobond

Well-Known Member
But Disney is definitely the reactive one here. It was Universal's large scale investment that caused Disney to invest in turn. Not the other way around

And EU will again catch Disney off their game and may cause them to invest in a similar manner over the coming decade or so.

USF is also my least favorite park in Orlando by the way, and DAK is also my favorite. And I also really like IOA. I agree with what you're saying but, I think it's important to make the distinction that Comcast is the proactive one here. Disney is purely reactive and responding to what Comcast is doing in their parks.

I also think the stategies Disney has used to 'respond' have largely been stupid and short sighted.
I don’t think they’re being reactive. The original Hollywood Studios build was reactive, but at this point, I think they just realize that the parks don’t cannibalize one another; they’re symbiotic. Why devise an Epic Universe countermeasure that everyone will view as comparatively milquetoast when they can just soak up the attendance bump on Universal’s marketing dime? It honestly makes way more sense for them to see-saw back and forth with big announcements than it does for them to release things together as part of some sort of arms race.
 

Lilofan

Well-Known Member
One problem is after hours events keep selling out and MNSSHP and MVMCP will probably be $200pp this year and sell out too.

They allow the day to day parks to become more miserable or stressful to do than before, don’t expand as much as they should, and then have people overpaying for less crowds, or genie+, or dining packages for better seats, etc etc etc

It’s amazing how much things have changed over the years. Loss of hours, experience, food quality, more ride breakdowns and stress than ever before I could go on and on
Approx 10 years ago DHS had a Villians park event starting in the early evening included with the price of a day ticket. Back then there was one way in one way out at DHS on Buena Vista Drive. The traffic was so bad guests and cast were stuck trying to leave and or enter to enjoy the park leave or report to work. Afterwards these kinds of events were pay to play to enjoy these events.
 

BlakeW39

Well-Known Member
I don’t think they’re being reactive. The original Hollywood Studios build was reactive, but at this point, I think they just realize that the parks don’t cannibalize one another; they’re symbiotic. Why devise an Epic Universe countermeasure that everyone will view as comparatively milquetoast when they can just soak up the attendance bump on Universal’s marketing dime? It honestly makes way more sense for them to see-saw back and forth with big announcements than it does for them to release things together as part of some sort of arms race.

Well I'll give you this, Bob probably agrees with you, considering his views on 'competition.' A rising tide lifts all ships...but "sitting back" is allowing yourself to be outcompeted, and provides no incentive for consumers to choose your product over another. This will present issues for Disney come EU. Perhaps you will see the results of EU as 'not negative,' but I lean towards thinking that Wall St. may disagree with you there
 
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monothingie

Evil will always triumph, because good is dumb.
Premium Member
Ummmmm 15 minutes for ROTR with over an hour to go?
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James Alucobond

Well-Known Member
Well I'll give you this, Bob probably agrees with you, considering his views on 'competition.' A rising tide lifts all ships...but "sitting back" is allowing yourself to be outcompeted, and provides no incentive for consumers to choose your product over another. This will present issues for Disney come EU. Perhaps you will see the results of EU as 'not negative,' but I lean towards thinking that Wall St. may disagree with you there
What is problematic is if the quality of Disney's output constantly tracks lower than Universal's and/or the gap continues to close on the service front, which is obviously entirely possible. But as others have pointed out, in the time between the launch of the Wizarding World and Epic Universe, Walt Disney World will have tackled New Fantasyland, Pandora, Galaxy's Edge, Toy Story Land, the Future World overhaul, and a smattering of other key attractions (Mickey and Minnie's Runaway Railway, Ratatouille, TRON, Bayou Adventure, etc.). In other words, enough to fill a new park; no matter what you think of these additions (and the fact that they didn't do as much as they should have to increase capacity due to replacement), that's a lot. Honestly, I think an obvious, direct response to Epic Universe would be more troubling to investors because it would signal that Disney is deeply worried about the competition and scrambling.
 

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