Is attendance really down at WDW this or…

celluloid

Well-Known Member
They were always planning to bring them back.
Were they always planning on not charging guests overnight stays hotel parking too? They were always planning to backpeddel that?

Demand is down historically. It is a fact. Guest spending is also down, as evident by offerings and promotions/discounted Genie Plus.
 

Lilofan

Well-Known Member
They were always planning to bring them back.



Yes, because I am asking for recently evidence that the situation is degrading. There doesn't seem to be any.

Since those projects were cancelled, they've continually posted positive results for the parks. If the situation were still getting worse, there would be signs of it: there are none.
With business slowing down, multiple discounts being offered , no surprise if trams are once again not in operation in the near future to save on operational costs. Closing down the skyway temporary would save on more operational costs. When goals are not being met, tough decisions must be made to include current staffing levels.
 
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el_super

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Were they always planning on not charging guests overnight stays hotel parking too? They were always planning to backpeddel that?

Demand is down historically. It is a fact. Guest spending is also down, as evident by offerings and promotions/discounted Genie Plus.

If demand is down and guest spending is down, why is revenue up?
 

celluloid

Well-Known Member
If demand is down and guest spending is down, why is revenue up?
Canceled projects and reduced quality. You are answering your own question. We are seeing results of what was done. By next report(s) and into next year, we will see the results further.

Now we are shifting the argument. Let's see the complete numbers.

The same way carnivals and county fairs make a lot of money from the town the first two weeks until they get out of town a third week to make sure there is enough time for people to forget until they come back to town. Short term desperation to bank as much and offering.

Short term afloat has a good temporary spin, long term, not a good thing.

So disney brings back parking trams suddenly now, offers discounts and lower tiers because demand is up? Out of the goodness of their hearts?
 
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el_super

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Canceled projects and reduced quality.

What cancelled projects? What reduced quality? It is telling you can't name things that have happened recently.

You think their quarterly results were so good because they cancelled projects last year? That makes no sense.

There is more money coming in than there was last year. So again, if guest spending is down, and demand is down, why is there more money pouring in?


You are answering your own question. We are seeing results of what was done. By next report(s) and into next year, we will see the results further.

Now we are shifting the argument. Let's see the complete numbers.

The quarterly results are posted on their site. You should probably go read them if you haven't already.

Unless you are suggesting we just wait and see what happens next quarter. Guess we will have to wait...
 

Nubs70

Well-Known Member
Where is this called out in the financial reporting?

Maybe the reduced spending on nighttime alcohol is a good sign the guest experience HAS gotten better?
Or maybe guests are packing lunches and boozing it up while not spending on merch and food.
 

Marionnette

Well-Known Member
What cancelled projects? What reduced quality? It is telling you can't name things that have happened recently.

You think their quarterly results were so good because they cancelled projects last year? That makes no sense.

There is more money coming in than there was last year. So again, if guest spending is down, and demand is down, why is there more money pouring in?




The quarterly results are posted on their site. You should probably go read them if you haven't already.

Unless you are suggesting we just wait and see what happens next quarter. Guess we will have to wait...
Their Q3 earnings call specifically states that attendance at WDW was lower than in Q3 of 2022. It also stated that increase in revenue at the domestic parks was largely due to higher ticket prices.
 

jpeden

Well-Known Member
In the Parks
No
What cancelled projects? What reduced quality? It is telling you can't name things that have happened recently.

You think their quarterly results were so good because they cancelled projects last year? That makes no sense.

There is more money coming in than there was last year. So again, if guest spending is down, and demand is down, why is there more money pouring in?




The quarterly results are posted on their site. You should probably go read them if you haven't already.

Unless you are suggesting we just wait and see what happens next quarter. Guess we will have to wait...

The money is coming in but not at Disney World. The issue is not the other parks, but the ones in Orlando where spending and guest counts ARE down, and the CEO himself has admitted it. Revenue is up because they’ve increased prices across the board multiple times in the past two years. It was $6.25 for a Mickey bar this weekend. They were $3.50 in 2016 I believe. That’s an almost 100% increase in 7 years.

When every single thing is it’s own business entity like it is at TWDC, and all of those business entities in P&R are used to prop up the rest of the company, the alarms are for sure going off when the largest ATM isn’t printing money.
 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
Their Q3 earnings call specifically states that attendance at WDW was lower than in Q3 of 2022. It also stated that increase in revenue at the domestic parks was largely due to higher ticket prices.
They also said per cap spending was equitable to last year.

(Don't know about comparable to the previous quarter, tho.)
 

Minnesota disney fan

Well-Known Member
This is fantastic for guests! Enjoy it while it lasts.

My fear is WDW will cut staff and reduce capacity to compensate.

It tasks longer than 5 minutes to get to the loading platform of space mountain to its truly a walk on!!
They have been cutting staff that way for a long time. We first noticed it in 2018. We always visit when there are slow times, at least in the past! When the "slow times" were still a thing, we noticed that there was less staff and disney only utilized one side of a ride. That made the wait times go up for those of us who looked forward to the slower times of the year. That has continued to this day, but it did noticeably start a while back.
 

el_super

Well-Known Member
it's all a game... to see how much we can "take" while they still "make"

And they are still making... which is the point.

Revenue is still up. You can't have that unless you have people willing to pay more.


Play Pavilion, Main Street Theater, Poppins, Epcot Future World redo budget cuts and changes just to name a few

How much did they save last quarter by cancelling the Asia Resort from 1971?
 

el_super

Well-Known Member
The money is coming in but not at Disney World.

Iger hasn't seemed too concerned with the attendance decreases, and if the other resorts are able to make up for, and exceed prior milestones without WDW, I can see why.

If something is wrong with WDW specifically, it is probably something temporary.
 

GhostHost1000

Premium Member
Iger hasn't seemed too concerned with the attendance decreases, and if the other resorts are able to make up for, and exceed prior milestones without WDW, I can see why.

If something is wrong with WDW specifically, it is probably something temporary.
Iger is likely concerned with attendance decreases and forecast bookings. Did he tell you otherwise?

Also how long do the temporary things being wrong become too long?
 

DisneyDreamerxyz

Well-Known Member
Most part timers are still not getting scheduled any hours, which can only be a sign of cost saving or low operational need.

What I find interesting is walking around the parks it’s almost all International guests, and you wonder where the non-pass holder Americans are? My guess is inflation plus some of the Disney politics stuff has kept them away, things that don’t matter to a family from Canada, Mexico, Brazil, the UK, etc
 

el_super

Well-Known Member
Iger is likely concerned with attendance decreases and forecast bookings. Did he tell you otherwise?

He stated he wasn't concerned in the Sun Valley CNBC interview.

Also how long do the temporary things being wrong become too long?

Years. Maybe decades. If Florida isn't a viable investment opportunity, they can put their money elsewhere and scale down their business there. It can be a long time before it's not profitable to run the parks in Florida.

What I find interesting is walking around the parks it’s almost all International guests, and you wonder where the non-pass holder Americans are?

They're at Disneyland:

 

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