Is AAA gaming facing a reckoning? Maybe a crash?

Is AAA gaming facing a possible crash?

  • Yes

    Votes: 10 76.9%
  • Maybe

    Votes: 1 7.7%
  • No

    Votes: 2 15.4%

  • Total voters
    13

Mike S

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It will be very interesting to see the impact, if any, this has on the industry. It's definitely going down as the worst game/studio failure in gaming history. Will any of them listen to what the fans are telling them? Or will they carry on making slop like concord and then blame the fans as the reason it failed?

The last two generations have been bad. ps4/Xbox one and ps5/series, both generation were very weak compared to the two generation before those. As long as every game developers main focus is trying to get the next live service phenomenon, things are just going to get worse. They need the remasters and re-releases to offset the losses from all the failures. Concord is just the cherry on a huge crap sunday. And anthem, gothem knights, suicide squad, skull and bones, avengers, redfall... Are the sprinkles.

The studios are looking for the constant revenue stream, and reviving old franchises will only give them a small win here and there. It's really no different than the clown show that's running Disney now. The future doesn't matter, it's all about right now, let the next guy worry about it. Embracing your legacy only works for Nintendo apparently. So many video game companies have amazing games that have been dormant for 20 or 30 or more years. Look no further than Sega. Two of modern gamings biggest franchises came from this very thing. Bethesda revived fallout from a 2d isometric game. And Ubisoft, while technically assassin's Creed wasn't a revived franchise, Prince of Persia was. And that became a decent success that lead to the creation of Assassins creed with it's tech.
One could argue that the PS4 was a definitive success for Sony from the consumers perspective. It’s the PS5 where their community is starting to turn on them. Problem is, there isn’t an Xbox 360 for that community to turn to like with the PS3 way back when. Sony is only going to get worse from here.
 

erasure fan1

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One could argue that the PS4 was a definitive success for Sony from the consumers perspective.
Whoops missed this. It was a success from a PR standpoint for sure. I was really coming at it from a games standpoint. PS4 did well from a units sold standpoint. But didn't really move things forward that much in my opinion. The biggest problems was Xbox pooped the bed giving Sony no competition. I'm hard pressed to remember something that was a breakout hits that came from last gen outside of remakes and sequels. The biggest thing was battle royal. Otherwise there was Spiderman, elden ring, horizon, ghost of Tsushima maybe? I'd have to dig through the releases but those are what I can think of off the top of my head.
Ubisoft really looking like a fish flopping around on land lately.
And worse the game was delayed until February I believe. They're in some trouble for sure. It's what happens when you become complacent in what you're doing. They've done almost nothing really new. They've taken the formula from the AC games and now everything is that same loop. AC, Farcry, immortal Phoenix rising, star wars... Even skull and bones was just the ship system from black flag. And the funny part was, black flag 2 was the one sequel most everyone wanted. Like most of the AA and AAA game developers, they are out of touch with what gamers want or don't care. And that's really starting to catch up with the industry.
 

Mike S

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Whoops missed this. It was a success from a PR standpoint for sure. I was really coming at it from a games standpoint. PS4 did well from a units sold standpoint. But didn't really move things forward that much in my opinion. The biggest problems was Xbox pooped the bed giving Sony no competition. I'm hard pressed to remember something that was a breakout hits that came from last gen outside of remakes and sequels. The biggest thing was battle royal. Otherwise there was Spiderman, elden ring, horizon, ghost of Tsushima maybe? I'd have to dig through the releases but those are what I can think of off the top of my head.
I was speaking from a game perspective. People really liked the PS4 to the point that most still play it lol.
 

Mike S

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So Ubisoft is really looking like it’s on the verge of utter collapse or a buyout at this point and Bethesda Game Studios just fumbled the “expansion” for Starfield MASSIVELY. It’s really crazy to witness all of this alongside what has to be the least hyped “next gen” I’ve ever lived through.
 

Mike S

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At my time of sharing this, this is the videos top comment.
Looks fancy and all but the industry has reached a point where you're not gonna win over gamers with shiny graphics anymore cause all games look more or less the same visually and its getting too expensive to push graphics even further when the return is minimal. Time to look for innovative gameplay mechanics and ideas instead if you want your game to survive, at least Nintendo realized this many years ago.
 

erasure fan1

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Bethesda Game Studios just fumbled the “expansion” for Starfield MASSIVELY.
I have to wonder, is the starfield issue actually real? While I only played around 6 or so hours through gamepass streaming. I don't think I understand the negativity. A lot of the negativity around this game seems to be consumers and the media being mad starfield isn't on PlayStation. I mean, last I looked, shattered space in no way should have a lower metacritic score than Concord. That's just bias showing through. Is it the best Bethesda game ever? No. but it's a solid foundation to build on. The big issue I see with the expansion, is it's too much money. 30$ is way too much for a 10/15 dollar expansion.
It’s really crazy to witness all of this alongside what has to be the least hyped “next gen” I’ve ever lived through.
I'd agree, it's the least hyped generation for sure. It just seems everything is out of whack. There's no rhyme or reason as to what they're trying to do. As far as I can tell, they're just trying to kill the console market.
 

Mike S

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I have to wonder, is the starfield issue actually real? While I only played around 6 or so hours through gamepass streaming. I don't think I understand the negativity. A lot of the negativity around this game seems to be consumers and the media being mad starfield isn't on PlayStation. I mean, last I looked, shattered space in no way should have a lower metacritic score than Concord. That's just bias showing through. Is it the best Bethesda game ever? No. but it's a solid foundation to build on. The big issue I see with the expansion, is it's too much money. 30$ is way too much for a 10/15 dollar expansion.
As far as I can tell what big Bethesda fans are complaining about is that the world created, the exploration, and the story/RPG elements are nowhere near the level of Elder Scrolls or Fallout and the expansion did nothing to fix that despite being fully handcrafted unlike the base games 1,000s or whatever it is AI generated planets. It’s to the point where people are honestly worried that Elder Scrolls VI will also be a disappointment and I don’t blame them.
 

erasure fan1

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As far as I can tell what big Bethesda fans are complaining about is that the world created, the exploration, and the story/RPG elements are nowhere near the level of Elder Scrolls or Fallout and the expansion did nothing to fix that despite being fully handcrafted unlike the base games 1,000s or whatever it is AI generated planets. It’s to the point where people are honestly worried that Elder Scrolls VI will also be a disappointment and I don’t blame them.
The time I spent in the game felt very Bethesda. The funny part is You don't buy a Bethesda game for story. They're all just acceptable. I've been on my backlog since not renewing gamepass, and I've been finally finishing fallout 4. The 6hrs of starfields story so far, has been better than fallout 4 for me. And it was about as good as oblivion.

A Bethesda rpg is about creating an experience that you want. The biggest issue I see with the game is they overly relied on procedural generation. Having 20 worlds with tons to do, would have been a lot better than 1000 with very little. This isn't the first game to fall into the big space, little to do trap. Personally I feel almost every open world game has that issue. Arkham City is most everyone's favorite Batman. Outside of the main story areas and the other super villain areas, there's just nothing really. Honestly I felt the same way skyrim, and oblivion and now fallout 4.
 

Mike S

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The time I spent in the game felt very Bethesda. The funny part is You don't buy a Bethesda game for story. They're all just acceptable. I've been on my backlog since not renewing gamepass, and I've been finally finishing fallout 4. The 6hrs of starfields story so far, has been better than fallout 4 for me. And it was about as good as oblivion.

A Bethesda rpg is about creating an experience that you want. The biggest issue I see with the game is they overly relied on procedural generation. Having 20 worlds with tons to do, would have been a lot better than 1000 with very little. This isn't the first game to fall into the big space, little to do trap. Personally I feel almost every open world game has that issue. Arkham City is most everyone's favorite Batman. Outside of the main story areas and the other super villain areas, there's just nothing really. Honestly I felt the same way skyrim, and oblivion and now fallout 4.
Even by that low standard they said Bethesda dropped the ball with the story especially with Shattered Space compared to Far Harbor of Fallout 4.
 

erasure fan1

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Even by that low standard they said Bethesda dropped the ball with the story especially with Shattered Space compared to Far Harbor of Fallout 4.
Far harbour is probably the best dlc they've done. Sure this might not be up to that standard, but to rank lower than Concord? At worst it's basically the same as the main game, and that's around an 8/10. I really think the price has a lot to do with it. A 30$ dlc should be at least around 25% to 30% of the main game. I think people are just getting fed up with the costs they are changing for things that feel like they should have been in the main game anyway. Especially when they're just kind of average. And all the people I know who have played it feel it's just that, average. Not great, not bad, just something that felt like it should have been part of main game.
 

Mike S

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Far harbour is probably the best dlc they've done. Sure this might not be up to that standard, but to rank lower than Concord? At worst it's basically the same as the main game, and that's around an 8/10. I really think the price has a lot to do with it. A 30$ dlc should be at least around 25% to 30% of the main game. I think people are just getting fed up with the costs they are changing for things that feel like they should have been in the main game anyway. Especially when they're just kind of average. And all the people I know who have played it feel it's just that, average. Not great, not bad, just something that felt like it should have been part of main game.
Whenever I see scores like this I read it as “we know this can be better, we know you’ve done better in the past, we’re not accepting this and we’re making a point with this score.”
 

Mike S

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Looks like Nintendo is going hard into big multiplayer experiences with a leaked Pokémon MMO as well as the reveal of what the play test entails.



I’m not really worried about Nintendo pulling a PlayStation “we’re making 12 (down to 6) live services” here if only for the fact that you can’t make a ton of those for a mobile console that won’t always have a stable connection to the internet. It would be suicide lol.
 

Mike S

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erasure fan1

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