SirLink
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I thought it was faked ... the board must of told him he isn't getting his contract renewed.
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Interview with Bob Iger about the Parks
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I thought it was faked ... the board must of told him he isn't getting his contract renewed.
Astro Blaster
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Well he heard the criticism...social media will get to anyone eventually 
jt04
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Well they are doing something that isn't resonating at the box office as it should. I am guessing it is the modern takes on pet political issues such as animal rights and other pet issues of the day (pun intended). While it may be an important topic I really don't need virtue signalling at a Star Wars movie. I am sure we were very soon to be 'educated' in proper recycling and the importance of weather sealing our homes. Not to mention the moral superiority of veganism.
NO THANK YOU.
networkpro
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- In the Parks
- Yes
Rogue1138
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Well they are doing something that isn't resonating at the box office as it should. I am guessing it is the modern takes on pet political issues such as animal rights and other pet issues of the day (pun intended). While it may be an important topic I really don't need virtue signalling at a Star Wars movie. I am sure we were very soon to be 'educated' in proper recycling and the importance of weather sealing our homes. Not to mention the moral superiority of veganism.
NO THANK YOU.
If you don't like the movie, that's fine. There's 11 movies now. I think the Prequels are a dumpster fire but more power to those who enjoy them. What you're saying is easily proven to be incorrect because you're taken a political opinionated stance over reality.
2015 - The Force Awakens - #1 grossing movie of the year
2016 - Rogue One - #2 grossing movie of the year, Force Awakens #1 grossing blu-ray
2017 - The Last Jedi - #1 grossing movie of the year, Rogue One #1 grossing blu-ray
2018 - Solo - #12 grossing movie of the year (pretty much tied with Antman & The Wasp), Last Jedi #1 grossing blu-ray, Solo is #12
Man, sure looks like a failing franchise to me. Or maybe some people are so wrapped up in their own political discord and being told that some liberal boogeyman is coming to get them because reasons that are totally not coming from racism or misogyny.
Star Wars has a problem of foreign markets especially China. The Original Trilogy never screened in China. Now it's the second largest film market and what has been released are prequels/sequels to a series they never saw. So if you make a sequel and release it 32 years after the last movie in the trilogy released there's no nostalgia connection to help promote the movie. China can make or break the success of a film like the Transformers franchise or Pacific Rim.
TeddyinMO
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Thank you for adding some facts, common sense and perspective to this thread.
This sounds suspiciously like Baghdad Bob - "Do not believe the infidels. Everything is fine. The box office is fine. The franchise is fine. Everything is fine. Ignore the infidels who say the stories suck. Everyone loves Star Wars! Only the infidels stuck in 1977 don't like the movies now, everything is fine." 
Telling people their opinions about something are wrong just because the box office numbers are rosy is the height of stupidity and arrogance. I liked TFA. I wanted to like TLJ. But I couldn't, too many basic plot holes. I got through 10 minutes of Solo before turning it off. They don't cancel Star Wars movies if everything is fine with the franchise.
But this is entirely off-topic, so I'm dropping it.
Telling people their opinions about something are wrong just because the box office numbers are rosy is the height of stupidity and arrogance. I liked TFA. I wanted to like TLJ. But I couldn't, too many basic plot holes. I got through 10 minutes of Solo before turning it off. They don't cancel Star Wars movies if everything is fine with the franchise.
But this is entirely off-topic, so I'm dropping it.
Rogue1138
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I'm a very passionate fan of things I enjoy. Now no one has to like what I do but at least be objective what you don't like.
This sounds suspiciously like Baghdad Bob - "Do not believe the infidels. Everything is fine. The box office is fine. The franchise is fine. Everything is fine. Ignore the infidels who say the stories suck. Everyone loves Star Wars! Only the infidels stuck in 1977 don't like the movies now, everything is fine."
Telling people their opinions about something are wrong just because the box office numbers are rosy is the height of stupidity and arrogance. I liked TFA. I wanted to like TLJ. But I couldn't, too many basic plot holes. I got through 10 minutes of Solo before turning it off. They don't cancel Star Wars movies if everything is fine with the franchise.
But this is entirely off-topic, so I'm dropping it.
I'm sorry you didn't like the new movies. I'm sure if we had a cup of coffee we could discuss what you didn't like and you'd maybe enjoy it better or maybe not. I'm sure some people had their entire childhoods ruined over a movie. Or maybe have even been turned away from the franchise forever. That's fine. Every movie doesn't have to be for every person. Maybe some people really enjoyed it. Or have kids that fell in love with it like you did when you first saw a Star Wars movie.
The only reason I commented in the first place (and what I see in almost every fandom now) is that people replace objectivity with emotional response which exactly relates to the thread at hand. Just because YOU don't like something doesn't mean the sky is falling. Solo was a bust but for multiple reasons outside of "Fans hate Star Wars now!". Now that's the height of stupidity and arrogance. If The Last Jedi was such a divisive failure that "everyone" hates now, who saw the movie in the theaters? Who made it the number one selling blu-ray? Unproven generalities based on emotion serves and proves nothing be it about Star Wars or Disney or whatever.
DeletedAccount55555
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Well they are doing something that isn't resonating at the box office as it should. I am guessing it is the modern takes on pet political issues such as animal rights and other pet issues of the day (pun intended). While it may be an important topic I really don't need virtue signalling at a Star Wars movie. I am sure we were very soon to be 'educated' in proper recycling and the importance of weather sealing our homes. Not to mention the moral superiority of veganism.
NO THANK YOU.
Say it with me now: Last Jedi is the 11th-highest-grossing film of all time.
The whining from a small group of hopeless incels who go crazy whenever a white man isn't the centerpiece of every scene did nothing to hurt its box office returns. So your point is invalid. Thanks for playing.
Slov72
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People had to see the movie to grasp that they hated it... there are so many plot holes it is embarrassing. The result of TLJ was seen with Solo.... If TLJ was a huge success, Solo would have been a huge success. Its always the next movie in the franchise that reacts to the prior's engagement with the audience.
Tom P.
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There is no question that The Last Jedi did well at the box office. But box office numbers do not tell the whole story. Let's not forget that The Phantom Menace did over $1 billion in box office -- yet is almost universally derided today. In fact, if you adjust for inflation, Phantom Menace, released in 1999, would rank as the 18th highest grossing film of all time. (TLJ would, BTW, be 43rd using inflation-adjusted tallies.)
The two questions to really be asked are whether TLJ did as well as Disney expected it to do and thought it should, and whether it helped or hurt the franchise in the long run.
To answer that, I think you need look no farther than the fact that Disney very quickly pressed J.J. Abrams back into service for Episode IX, with the rather openly expressed desire to undo the damage they felt had been done by TLJ and to return to something more akin to The Force Awakens.
peter11435
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There’s plot holes all over the Star Wars universe starting way back in the beginning. TLJ actually has fewer than most. You choose to ignore and accept the older ones.
Slov72
Member
It is true that there are plot holes in the earlier movies as well, I will acknowledge that, but they usually were more minor in nature that didn't effect the rules of the universe as a whole (I am no super fan, so I may be missing some large ones, but I can't think of them currently). Personally I think the problems that comes out of TLJ is that it is obvious that there was no over arching plan for the trilogy. They let each director do whatever they wanted and then would just give the results to the next director in line. They should have had a framework for the trilogy as a whole in order to tell a consistent and concise story. It feels like there was almost no planning in where these movies were going. JJAbrams and Rian Johnson had completely different ideas and were allowed to make movies that conflict with each other.
peter11435
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What rules of the universe were violated?
LSLS
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How do you know the reasons solo bombed? You cant be mad at the group speculating it was last jedi and then insert your own unproven reasons. For the record, I didn't see solo, and I didn't see it for a host of reasons like you suggest. I will withhold my judgement as to the cause until we see some numbers for episode 9. That said, i think it's a tough sell that disney hasn't done a below average job with the star wars franchise so far. No matter which the reason is for solo bombing, it would all fall back on the management of the franchise, and the fact they actually cancelled (or delayed) other planned movies show they have not done as well as they expected.
brb1006
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rle4lunch
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But... simultaneously hired Johnson for a spinoff trilogy.
Rogue1138
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There's been dozens of industry analysts who have cited the issues. First, the inflated budget due to reshoots. The budget was raised so high due to heavy reshoots that it would've taken a huge return to be truly a blockbuster. Second, there was absolutely NO marketing in place for Solo until the SuperBowl. So they were trying to generate awareness and buzz for a movie in the midst of the biggest movie month of the year. Third, they followed Infinity War, which was going to be insanely popular regardless. Also Deadpool 2 before it. Incredibles 2 and Jurassic World 2 after. You throw a movie out that's completely unrelated to anything in the biggest movie window of the year with little to no marketing, it's going to suffer. Lastly, I think there's growing movie theater fatigue. It's expensive now to take a family to see a movie and I think a lot of families chose Infinity War over Solo. Solo was a box office failure but it was not due to fan backlash. Fans do not make or break a movie. As much as we like to think so, businesses will always cater to the general audience and new fans over old ones.
Slov72
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A few things... Holdo maneuver being the most prominent. If this was possible, it would make the whole attack on the death star irrelevant.... why not just create a bunch of drone driven cargo containers with hyperdrives and blast them into the death start for instant destruction? Destruction of entire fleets would be easily achievable with multiple small autopilot or drone piloted craft. The Leia flying thing was silly and a power never before seen (which isn't a deal breaker, but it was out of nowhere and other than empathic powers she never demonstrated the ability to do something of this magnitude; the Luke projection was at least feasible through years of training that he would acquire this power). The fact that Rey is such a powerful Jedi and fighter without any training (unless you count Luke's "lessons". Those are off the top of my head