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Insane crowds, more space needed

An answer would not seem to be to create more space to be crowded by the inevitable increase in capacity and supposed room. More space=more people.

Heresy to follow.

1. Eliminate HEA and any regularly schedule Main Street parade. Shoot fireworks over seven seas lagoon. Can you imagine if Illuminations required you to assemble in front of and face Spaceship Earth. Imagine the crowds at Epcot. How about trying to cram crowds for Fantasmic into a unidirectional space that is clearly too small to hold the attendees.

2. Return trees and benches to Main Street and the hub in Magic Kingdom.

3. Raise ticket prices enough to significantly ratchet down attendance.

4. Close Magic Kingdom earlier and make any evening event a hard ticket or at least a FP+ (limited distribution).

5. Limit nights of HEA to only a few and viewing by reservation only.

6. Return to Fantasy in the Sky. Repeat projection part of HEA multiple times (a dozen or so) every night so that it becomes routine, kinda like small world is to practically everyone.

All of the above could significantly reduce the P&R income forecast so you can be relieved that none of them will actually come to pass.
There is an element here that, while VERY UNPOPULAR, works:
3. Raise ticket prices enough to significantly ratchet down attendance.

Yup, basic supply and demand. DEMAND is way too high - time to further adjust DEMAND with serious ticket admission prices. And one HAS to go after Park Tickets - else huge Hotel price increases will simply motivate folks to drive in, from offsite.

So two unpopular suggestions?

1) RAISE Daily Park Admission Price: Monitor Daily REVENUE, not "Park Attendance". Fewer people, more Dollars... shoot for lower crowd levels while staying Revenue Neutral, until you find the REAL "Park Price Point". Right now? It's too low. This is why too many people are seeking too few goods.

2) I was going to say RAISE Parking costs.... but if WDW executes 1) correctly? This should not be necessary.

All personal opinion - I'm not necessarily right, no one else is necessarily wrong. We are both DVC Owners and AP Holders. If WDW went down this road? WE would be paying MORE. Perhaps a LOT more, for Park Entry. Just us - willing to DO this, just to end the daily Mob Scene :(.

We all love WDW. But folks? It's being loved to DEATH :(.
 
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I don't see wait times as the issue. It's the people just walking around in the common areas too much . I've never waited 2 hours for anything at MK and I don't think anything except 7DMT is really ever a 2 hr wait.
I think that disasterous fastpass 2.0
Is directly causing this. The lack of standby lines that MOVE is dumping more people onto the paths.

It’s what they want...but it isn’t really working. Are merch sales up? I would guess they are not. Because it’s not that simple.

It’s kinda Frankenstein at this point.
 

Kamikaze

Well-Known Member
I think that disasterous fastpass 2.0
Is directly causing this. The lack of standby lines that MOVE is dumping more people onto the paths.

It’s what they want...but it isn’t really working. Are merch sales up? I would guess they are not. Because it’s not that simple.

It’s kinda Frankenstein at this point.
It is exactly what they want. You can't buy anything standing in a queue. And the numbers say they are up.
 
It is exactly what they want. You can't buy anything standing in a queue. And the numbers say they are up.
What numbers? I believe they say “revenues are up” and “guest spending is up”

That is 1000% ambiguous. The goal of fast pass has long been known.

And fastpass 1.0 was most definitely for this very purpose. I submit that 2.0 is not doing the same job.
 

raven

Well-Known Member
No...a fireworks display that didn’t have a single vantage point.

There can’t be a “park wide digital mapping show”...unless a park is constructed with a “back wall”
Don’t need walls for digital mapping. It can be projected on anything. I’ve used the technology for outdoor events for several years now and it can be projected on odd-shaped buildings, trees, rocks, water and even moving objects.
 
Don’t need walls for digital mapping. It can be projected on anything. I’ve used the technology for outdoor events for several years now and it can be projected on odd-shaped buildings, trees, rocks, water and even moving objects.
Yeah...but that wasn’t what was being discussed. It was crowding due to fireworks. And the show with a limited field of view is putting more stain on that dynamic
 

jloucks

Well-Known Member
Yeah, it's a mess when when it finishes and people disburse in different directions, but, I just see that as part of the adventure.
Like getting a root canal. I always found that to be quite the adventure.

Like when the tooth particles shoot out of your mouth, and up your nose. Making you sneeze, coating the drill with skull drippins.

For added adventure, opt for the laughing gas. Well worth it.

Now, if we could just get WDW to issue gas with the fireworks. That would be awesome! Crowds, schmouds, it was be fun!
 

geekza

Well-Known Member
Like getting a root canal. I always found that to be quite the adventure.

Like when the tooth particles shoot out of your mouth, and up your nose. Making you sneeze, coating the drill with skull drippins.

For added adventure, opt for the laughing gas. Well worth it.

Now, if we could just get WDW to issue gas with the fireworks. That would be awesome! Crowds, schmouds, it was be fun!
I mean, since alcohol has been introduced in the MK you now have the option of being "gassed" while watching the fireworks.
 
I agree with a lot of the comments. Another park will not solve an issue with MK fireworks. They need to find ways to distribute the crowd better at night. Having 30-60,000 people in the most narrow area of the park has never worked, and the parks are as crowded now as they ever have been. I say, let's fix THIS problem, before we just add another problem with another park. Let's finish our dinner before we have dessert. I think this Disney administration has a bad habit of jumping to the next thing before finishing and fixing what is already there
 

MisterPenguin

Rumormonger
Premium Member
I agree with a lot of the comments. Another park will not solve an issue with MK fireworks. They need to find ways to distribute the crowd better at night. Having 30-60,000 people in the most narrow area of the park has never worked, and the parks are as crowded now as they ever have been. I say, let's fix THIS problem, before we just add another problem with another park. Let's finish our dinner before we have dessert. I think this Disney administration has a bad habit of jumping to the next thing before finishing and fixing what is already there
Did I mention I have a plan for that linked in my sig below?

;)
 

smile

Well-Known Member
the only people this should be a problem for are guests... but it's not.
- some also seem to think everybody packed into the hub and ms in an accident - it is not; that's exactly where you're supposed to be.

watch the show > feel good > buy something > leave

nothing to fix
 

EricPZ

Active Member
Like getting a root canal. I always found that to be quite the adventure.

Like when the tooth particles shoot out of your mouth, and up your nose. Making you sneeze, coating the drill with skull drippins.

For added adventure, opt for the laughing gas. Well worth it.

Now, if we could just get WDW to issue gas with the fireworks. That would be awesome! Crowds, schmouds, it was be fun!
Meh...nah, the sky isn't falling. It's crowded, but no worse than my local mall in December.
 
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