I'm Over It

Mawg

Well-Known Member
I wholeheartedly agree with you. I'm sorry there are so many on this thread... that you created, mind you... that are so against the idea that you don't like it, or are blind to the fact that there is a blatant Frozen overload at the parks these days. Here's the list of everything Frozen in the parks, to my knowledge:

Frozen Meet & Greet at Magic Kingdom
Frozen Fun Land (Skating Rink) at Hollywood Studios - ended
Wandering Oaken's (from Frozen) Trading Post at Hollywood Studios - moved, but staying
Frozen Sing-Along at Hollywood Studios - staying
Frozen Royal Procession Welcome Parade at Hollywood Studios - ended
Frozen Dance Party & Fireworks at Hollywood Studios - ended
Legends of Hollywood Merch Shop now a Frozen Merch Shop (one wasn't enough, eh?)
Norway Gift Shop already being taken over by Frozen (I can provide video proof if needed)
Cinderella's Holiday Wish being replaced with Frozen Holiday Wish - coming
Frozen presence in MVMCP parade - coming
Maelstrom being replaced with Frozen Ride - coming
Frozen Holiday Premium Package - coming
Frozen Meet & Greet coming to Norway (aka Arendelle) Pavilion - coming
Frozen banners - galore
Let It Go - officially stuck in everyone's head

And yes, having to be herded into the Magic Kingdom like you're in a parade is ridiculous because adults couldn't behave themselves when trying to get to the Frozen Meet & Greet. I liked the old way of entering the MK, but a few had to ruin it for everyone eh?

To any Frozen defenders, you kinda have to see her point about Frozen taking over Hollywood Studios, don't you? I've seen several individual posts on the forums as of late, from people who say they like or even love the film, and even they said it was a bit much this summer at DHS. Sure, the Summer Fun is over now; I get that. But when @KCheatle visited back in July, it was everywhere. I'm sure you've had a song that you couldn't stand that was blasted into your ear drums all the time and you thought 'IF I HEAR THAT SONG ONE MORE TIME'... well this is a number of songs, an annoying snow man, two sisters, a couple of guys, a moose... all in her face all the time. You see my point?

And they definitely shouldn't be replacing Maelstrom with a Frozen ride. Not only because Frozen doesn't fit well in WS, but because Frozen was such an unprecedented, enormous hit that, as much as I hate to say this, it deserves a ride done the right way; built from the ground up with awesome theming in the queue and a superb ride experience overall - just like Disney usually does it. Sadly they're going to cheap route with their most profitable property to date. :banghead:

Hopefully the fad will be over soon, but I see a resurgence coming when the ride opens in 2016. Until then, I just have one word for you, @KCheatle
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Side Note: I hope the 'Premium Package' thing stops soon. Those things seem like a HUGE rip-off to me; it can't just be me, right? First MNSSHP and now they're taking advantage of the Frozen hype... I actually feel bad for the parents of any Frozen addicts out there; that's gonna get expensive if the kiddos want to get the premium package.

But as others have said, it's still not enough because the demand is still so high. It's important for Disney to keep putting Frozen where ever they can to make people happy. They now get to take over Cinderella's Castle, good for them, great thinking Disney. Where else can they go? They should put them in It's a Small World when they were young kids. Since it happens in the same time as Little Mermaid, they should add them to the Little Mermaid ride. That Yeti is Dumb on Everest, Replace with the snow monster from Frozen and we're talking cha ching. Still demand won't be met. Let's really see Elsa's power and have her freeze Big Thunder. How awesome would that be to ride the train around in an Ice land? Seriously should do this. Replace the red head in Pirates with Anna, then Elsa can come save her....Brilliant! Any more places we can put some cheap overlays to meet demand, why not Main Street? We are talking big bank now!!!

This is the biggest animated feature of all time, Disney needs to put it everywhere, it deserves it. People don't have to see it if they don't want to. But those people are crazy because it is the best movie ever so they should just get over it. And, as long as Disney can keep making money off of it they should keep putting it everywhere.
 

skyphotographer

Well-Known Member
I was never into it. Didn't see the movie, don't want to see the movie. At this point, I'm just ignoring all the Frozen stuff. But hey, if someone else gets something from it, more power to them. That said, I'm looking forward to 3 nights at the Food and Wine Festival in a few weeks.
 

Mawg

Well-Known Member
While I understand the sarcasm, I think I just threw up in my mouth a little bit.
sorry about that, I might have gotten carried away a bit. But this does seem to be Disney's thinking right now, just put it anywhere regardless of keeping theme. Norway, we complain...But now take the most Iconic feature of all the parks in the world and let's have Elsa Freeze it? It'll be beautiful, can't argue with that but why not just make the castle a big birthday cake cause they haven't thought of that before.

Some of the right things to do would have been: A correctly themed Meet and Greet; a restaurant like the Crystal Palace meet and greet; give them a show...Take over the little mermaid show at HS, could be good with lasers, lights, smoke and snow, a float in a parade - great! Long Term, give them their own themed land and ride in FANTASYLAND. But quit putting them places they are not suppose to be!
 

DVCOwner

A Long Time DVC Member
I will never understand some people on this web site. I think they are just looking for something to be mad about. Here are some examples:

Not enough attention to detail - Tangle restroom area waste of money because of all the detailing
To many non-traditional type Disney stuff - Frozen is a traditional Disney product
Why so much talk about Star Wars expansion, rides, weekends and not traditional Disney animation products - Again Frozen is this
We need new stuff - but not change or close anything
Epcot needs to appeal to the whole family not just drunks - adding Frozen will do this
I hate to wait in line - I hate Magic+
I like the new Castle projection show - Leave the HUB alone
Why so little in Downtown Disney - I do not like a shopping mall called Disney Springs

Anyone think of any more of these. Disney is spending money again in the parks, let's see what happens in the next few years. I think things are starting to turn around for the better. The will be some pain, but I hope it will be worth the gain.
 

stichrules

Active Member
I will never understand some people on this web site. I think they are just looking for something to be mad about. Here are some examples:

Not enough attention to detail - Tangle restroom area waste of money because of all the detailing
To many non-traditional type Disney stuff - Frozen is a traditional Disney product
Why so much talk about Star Wars expansion, rides, weekends and not traditional Disney animation products - Again Frozen is this
We need new stuff - but not change or close anything
Epcot needs to appeal to the whole family not just drunks - adding Frozen will do this
I hate to wait in line - I hate Magic+
I like the new Castle projection show - Leave the HUB alone
Why so little in Downtown Disney - I do not like a shopping mall called Disney Springs

Anyone think of any more of these. Disney is spending money again in the parks, let's see what happens in the next few years. I think things are starting to turn around for the better. The will be some pain, but I hope it will be worth the gain.
I totally agree. I am sure there were people when Beauty and beast and Lion King came ou who hated. IMPO, I think Frozen is one of the best movies Disney has ever done. I think what Disney is currently doing is what they should be doing. i think when it is all said and done MO is the ride in Norway will be something awesome and we need to forget about this notion of EPCOT bein untouchable, oh except fo the ides or attractions we do not like.
 

Magenta Panther

Well-Known Member
Actually..A ride did infact exsist....http://www.fab4art.com/ysa.htm

1. I know taste is subjective and this is all my opinion....but god no. If you want an attraction based on Beatles music...just make sure you select covers by artists who actually make the songs worth listening to.
Peter Frampton, Eric Clapton, Aerosmith...whatever. Just no Beatles.

Because if I drop by the UK Pavlion and hear John Lennon screeching about walruses and eggs, it's going to take me at least 12-16 hours of playing every AC/DC song I've got to purge it from my brain and bring my testosterone levels back to normal.


2. Or just get the Rolling Stones. They already have a bit of Disney Cred.


Taste is subjective indeed, but the Beatles own all the "bands" you mention. AC/DC? Clapton?? Frampton??? Aerosmith????? Stones???? Pretenders all. The Beatles did everything first. EVERYTHING. Even:

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:D
 

lebeau

Well-Known Member
Two points as to why Tangled is (objectively) a better overall movie than Frozen.

1. Tangled actually uses a coherent cause-and-effect narrative. In the first few minutes, we are given the entire backstory to this version of Rapunzel, setting the stage for all of the action later in the movie. Pregnant queen is dying and is given a healing potion made from a golden flower, and the flower's healing spell transferred to her daughter in utero.
Frozen, on the other hand, throws everything at the audience hoping it will stick. There is no framework for a story. The first minutes are devoted to ice-harvesters....because....ice is frozen, I guess? It gives us a glimpse of little Kristoff and Baby Sven, but they exist....just to exist really. Oh, they're orphans? Yeah, that doesn't have anything to do with the rest of the movie.

Next scene is Anna and Elsa are playing X-Men when things go horribly wrong. Wait, wait...how can she shoot ice? Is she a mutant? Her parents say she was born with it...are there any other family members that can do this? Like a great-great uncle Aang or something? Nope. Kid has superpowers, end of story. Don't question it.

2. Mother Goethel is an actual villain, and treated as a villain from the get-go. We know what drives her from the beginning...she's the genesis of the entire story. Without her, NOTHING would have happened.

Hans on the other hand....they tacked on the villain element as a clunky about-face that smacks of a thrown-together re-write (remember, ELSA was originally supposed to be the villain with the fall from grace and redemption), and as such it actually makes him a much weaker character.

On a scum-and-villainy take-over-the-world scale, 1 being M. Bison and 10. being Emperor Palpatine.....I'm afraid Hans is only about a 0.2.
If they HAD to make it with a non-Elsa villain, why not go with Duke Weselton? Hans could have been just a normal twenty-something who really did get smitten for Anna and spend the entire movie lovestruck and trying to please her....and Weselton could have been manipulating him the entire time, trying to take Arandelle for himself.
But nope...tacked on about-face good guy is actually a villain who planned to murder Elsa the entire time. Don't question it.

Your points are duly noted. But they do not make Tangled objectively better. They make it subjectively preferable by those who prefer more traditional story-telling.

I personally like both films very well and won't pick a favorite. The idea that one is objectively better than the other is rather silly.
 

lebeau

Well-Known Member
I was never into it. Didn't see the movie, don't want to see the movie. At this point, I'm just ignoring all the Frozen stuff. But hey, if someone else gets something from it, more power to them. That said, I'm looking forward to 3 nights at the Food and Wine Festival in a few weeks.

B-b-b-but that's impossible! Frozen is inescapable. Just read all previous posts. You will be forced at gunpoint to endure all things Frozen. The Frozen mafia may even break into your house and force your family to watch Once Upon a Time on ABC. A fate worse than death, I assure you.
 

KCheatle

Well-Known Member
Original Poster
B-b-b-but that's impossible! Frozen is inescapable. Just read all previous posts. You will be forced at gunpoint to endure all things Frozen. The Frozen mafia may even break into your house and force your family to watch Once Upon a Time on ABC. A fate worse than death, I assure you.


You wait. I initially liked Frozen. We bought the CD to sing in the car, we got the movie the day it came out. And, then I watched as video after video came out of people in their cars lip-synching the songs were on the news and on FB every 10 seconds, and initially I even "liked" them. And then I spent thousands to go to WDW in July, and even though it was everywhere I turned, I tolerated it. I didn't get upset. I didn't get mad, I just said, whatever, it's a fad, it'll die down. But, now with the Norway overhaul, and it being on OUAT, and the Christmas show, and the Frozen party at HS (that you can pay extra for premium!), and the voice of Kristoff at the Candlelight processional, and the Elsa drink that's now all over Pinterest, and the 2nd Frozen movie that's already coming out, so it's all just going to keep being pumped into stores and newsfeeds and commercials and movie previews.

I'm telling you that I once was like you. I tolerated it. But, wait. One day you're going to look around you and think to yourself, "If I hear one more thing about Frozen, I'm gonna lose it." Maybe you don't have kids and that's why you don't mind it as much? I don't know. But, it's everywhere and instead of dying down, it JUST KEEPS SPREADING!
 

imagineer boy

Well-Known Member
I wholeheartedly agree with you. I'm sorry there are so many on this thread... that you created, mind you... that are so against the idea that you don't like it, or are blind to the fact that there is a blatant Frozen overload at the parks these days. Here's the list of everything Frozen in the parks, to my knowledge:

Frozen Meet & Greet at Magic Kingdom
Frozen Fun Land (Skating Rink) at Hollywood Studios - ended
Wandering Oaken's (from Frozen) Trading Post at Hollywood Studios - moved, but staying
Frozen Sing-Along at Hollywood Studios - staying
Frozen Royal Procession Welcome Parade at Hollywood Studios - ended
Frozen Dance Party & Fireworks at Hollywood Studios - ended
Legends of Hollywood Merch Shop now a Frozen Merch Shop (one wasn't enough, eh?)
Norway Gift Shop already being taken over by Frozen (I can provide video proof if needed)
Cinderella's Holiday Wish being replaced with Frozen Holiday Wish - coming
Frozen presence in MVMCP parade - coming
Maelstrom being replaced with Frozen Ride - coming
Frozen Holiday Premium Package - coming
Frozen Meet & Greet coming to Norway (aka Arendelle) Pavilion - coming
Frozen banners - galore
Let It Go - officially stuck in everyone's head

Yeah, I don't think even The Lion King had this much over kill in the parks back when it was released.
 

Chef Mickey

Well-Known Member
sorry about that, I might have gotten carried away a bit. But this does seem to be Disney's thinking right now, just put it anywhere regardless of keeping theme. Norway, we complain...But now take the most Iconic feature of all the parks in the world and let's have Elsa Freeze it? It'll be beautiful, can't argue with that but why not just make the castle a big birthday cake cause they haven't thought of that before.

Some of the right things to do would have been: A correctly themed Meet and Greet; a restaurant like the Crystal Palace meet and greet; give them a show...Take over the little mermaid show at HS, could be good with lasers, lights, smoke and snow, a float in a parade - great! Long Term, give them their own themed land and ride in FANTASYLAND. But quit putting them places they are not suppose to be!
Totally agree. It's cheap and lazy.

You don't give up something that's been there 25 years in favor of the latest movie craze. You can keep beloved classics AND incorporate your movie hits in other, more appropriate areas. Was Maelstrom perfect? No, but it's iconic and perfectly themed for a World Showcase attraction that could have used an updated post show and some TLC on the inside. Replacing it because you want to steal the ride system and the nuts and bolts are already in place is again, cheap and lazy.

And Frozen, as big as it is, won't be this big of a deal in 5 years.
 
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PolynesianPrincess

Well-Known Member
I really liked Frozen. But like many things in this world, too much in large doses and everyone gets sick of it. You are correct that it is now going to be in every park but AK. It really is everywhere you turn down in WDW. But it makes them money so it's a smart business move to keep cashing in on it. They hype will die down eventually, but for now, kids (and some grown-ups alike) still love it.
 

jharvey

Well-Known Member
I'm kind of over people complaining about Frozen.

Clearly there is still a demand for Frozen. The lines indicate that supply has yet to meet demand. Frozen is easily avoidable, just don't get in line. And yet, people can't stop bellyaching.

I am surprised to discover people still watch Once Upon a Time.
Disney is easily avoidable, but if you removed disney complaint threads, this site would shutter.
 

Dads 2 Boys

Well-Known Member
I was just in WDW all of last week and with the exception of DHS....Frozen is not in any way beating anyone over the head (they made up for it in DHS....lol). I was in MK for the welcome show and rope drop on the 22nd and I barely noticed a difference. It's really not even noticeable in any of the other parks unless you look for it IMO.

In regards to DHS...the park is about movies after all....and...well....Frozen is a movie so.......

In regards to the Castle dreamlights....it actually makes a lot of sense. The lights are in essence supposed to make the castle look like it's covered in ice during the Christmas season. Elsa...ice queen.....uhhhh.

I think it's pretty apparent the OP clearly hates Frozen but, like an earlier poster said, there is absolutely nothing stopping you from not going to any of this stuff and it is all very avoidable. Kind of like if you don't like something on the radio or tv.......change the channel.
 

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