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Wngo905

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Wait, is this a serious comment? I missed this one somehow. If you were serious, could you please elaborate?
I was referencing ROL and that it originally was to have hundreds of floating lanterns that could manuver themselves throught the segment of the show. The tech didnt work so the idea was abandoned.

My point was that things (shows) change from originally planed even after expenses and time where spent. They could do the same for the 2020 show and keep Epcot Forever if it is a hit.
 

cjkeating

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Wait, is this a serious comment? I missed this one somehow. If you were serious, could you please elaborate?
Not wanting to derail the thread, but to answer your question.

Rivers of Light had 100+ floating lanterns built for it, there is a preview clip from Disney Blogs YouTube showing them testing on Discovery River for a second.

The assumption was as they struggled to get the navigation for the 11 main floats to work that 100 lanterns was impossible/too time consuming. There was also a theory that the currents of the water were knocking the lanterns off course/over but I don't know how much credibility that had.

As Rivers of Light now works reliably assuming they still have the 100 lanterns I'm shocked they haven't been brought into the show, my suggestion in ROL threads previously was if they struggle to move in sync to just get them to remain static close to the shore to add more lights/colour on the river.
 

AJH219

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Not that you admit you’re biased.
I didn't make the data....or did I ;) On topic did anyone in the area hear fireworks this morning around 5:00am? I heard some low booms but it didn't sound like thunder. Wasn't sure if there was any pyro testing happening.
 

Kylo Ken

Local Idiot
I didn't make the data....or did I ;) On topic did anyone in the area hear fireworks this morning around 5:00am? I heard some low booms but it didn't sound like thunder. Wasn't sure if there was any pyro testing happening.
I heard it as well. Figured it was from the marathon this morning
 

IMDREW

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Not wanting to derail the thread, but to answer your question.

Rivers of Light had 100+ floating lanterns built for it, there is a preview clip from Disney Blogs YouTube showing them testing on Discovery River for a second.

The assumption was as they struggled to get the navigation for the 11 main floats to work that 100 lanterns was impossible/too time consuming. There was also a theory that the currents of the water were knocking the lanterns off course/over but I don't know how much credibility that had.

As Rivers of Light now works reliably assuming they still have the 100 lanterns I'm shocked they haven't been brought into the show, my suggestion in ROL threads previously was if they struggle to move in sync to just get them to remain static close to the shore to add more lights/colour on the river.
Completely agree. Unfortunately I think they don't want to spend another penny on ROL however.
 

The Empress Lilly

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There’s always the chance when the new IP show goes stale 12-18 months after opening that it is retooled and redone. HEA and ROL don’t appear to have the lasting power of past shows.
The one nighttime show I ever got bored with was Dreams in DLP. And I loved that show, phenomenal. But similar to how as an adult you can only watch the same movie so many times, there is a limit to the amount of times you can watch a projection-centric show.

Fireworks by contrast never get old.

Or compare to how often during a trip you can do Philharmagic or the WS movies compared to Space Mountain or Haunted Mansion.
 

marni1971

WDW History nut
Premium Member
This has been my fear too.

The difference in guest rating of RoL vs HEA has been understood to mean guests want movie ip, video projection, and don't get abstractions.
Yes. The lack of IP in RoL and the perception that this is the main issue with the DAK show is directly to blame for IP coming to the Epcot show in such a large amount.
 

MickeyMinnieMom

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Yes. The lack of IP in RoL and the perception that this is the main issue with RoL is directly to blame for IP coming to the Epcot show in such a large amount.
I can understand that inference. And it may be correct for a majority of guests. I just thought that RoL was unbelievably boring -- IP or not -- and I went in REALLY hoping to like it as a different form of entertainment than a fireworks spectacular.

I've never been a fan of RoE. Although we do like some parts, and do enjoy our running joke about how nothing says UNITY like the earth splitting APART... ... :rolleyes: :hilarious:
 

P_Radden

Premium Member
Yes. The lack of IP in RoL and the perception that this is the main issue with the DAK show is directly to blame for IP coming to the Epcot show in such a large amount.
They need to cut RoL some slack and stop basing every single decision on quest satisfaction surveys. Another key point is that that show pretty much came online at the same time as Pandora. As a park guest, if you only have 1 day at AK on your trip, come dusk you have to make a decision to either 1) grab a seat for RoL or 2) Head to Pandora to see it come to life and maybe get to ride on FoP if the stand-by line isn't too long. I know on our last trip we skipped RoL in order to ride FoP a second time before park close.

And that is a bad decision to have to make. I really wanted to experience RoL but the desire to re-ride the newest and most bad a$$ attraction on property won that battle. 😕
 

MansionButler84

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I can understand that inference. And it may be correct for a majority of guests. I just thought that RoL was unbelievably boring -- IP or not -- and I went in REALLY hoping to like it as a different form of entertainment than a fireworks spectacular.

I've never been a fan of RoE. Although we do like some parts, and do enjoy our running joke about how nothing says UNITY like the earth splitting APART... ... :rolleyes: :hilarious:
I was obsessed with RoL during its development and wanted to love it. I couldn’t believe how boring it was. Unimpressive visuals, poor pacing. About the only thing I liked was the music but that’s not enough to make me want to see it again. If I’m at DAK for an evening, I’d rather see Pandora at night.
 

jaxonp

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Throw some fireworks in ROL and the lame will go gaga for the show. :rolleyes: Come on folks, ROL is art and while not perfect, its the best show created in a long long time. There is a disturbing theme growing from guests everywhere, including this board, that all attractions and shows at WDW should be a version of what happens in the Magic Kingdom. Everyone wants to point the finger at Disney for making these choices to include more IP but when you see people posting about how the show is boring and it doesn't have this or that, then you see why they start to make the choices they make. I've seen ROL probably 6 or 7 times and every show has been different for a myriad of reasons. Where you sit, the weather, the wind, the people around you. This limitation of the show is a big problem but not one that I see them finding a solution to.
 

tirian

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I can understand that inference. And it may be correct for a majority of guests. I just thought that RoL was unbelievably boring -- IP or not -- and I went in REALLY hoping to like it as a different form of entertainment than a fireworks spectacular.
Ditto for RoL, which I consider one of the most boring night shows in Disney history.

Apart from the infusion of cartoons, my concern about the new Epcot show is that it could be too close to World of Color, which is cool the first time but has little replay value. Disney’s new obsession with “greatest hits” video clips is almost two decades too late — it was all right in the early days of DVD special features — and doesn’t sustain the interest level of a new show. Fantasmic works because the clips were used to support a new story. HEA comes close; but my family, friends, and I have reached the point that we’re fine skipping it because it feels like a disjointed string of performances. We never skipped Wishes.

I hope Epcot’s new show has a recognizable storyline.

Edited to fix a host of auto-correct problems.
 
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Kevin_W

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I was obsessed with RoL during its development and wanted to love it. I couldn’t believe how boring it was. Unimpressive visuals, poor pacing. About the only thing I liked was the music but that’s not enough to make me want to see it again. If I’m at DAK for an evening, I’d rather see Pandora at night.
I'm almost with you, but I have seen it again and would continue to do so. I really like the music, and though the rest isn't great I still like it enough to watch again.
 

MickeyMinnieMom

Well-Known Member
Throw some fireworks in ROL and the lame will go gaga for the show. :rolleyes: Come on folks, ROL is art and while not perfect, its the best show created in a long long time. There is a disturbing theme growing from guests everywhere, including this board, that all attractions and shows at WDW should be a version of what happens in the Magic Kingdom. Everyone wants to point the finger at Disney for making these choices to include more IP but when you see people posting about how the show is boring and it doesn't have this or that, then you see why they start to make the choices they make. I've seen ROL probably 6 or 7 times and every show has been different for a myriad of reasons. Where you sit, the weather, the wind, the people around you. This limitation of the show is a big problem but not one that I see them finding a solution to.
You really should read the last couple of RoL posts more carefully. Both of us said we were looking forward to what we heard about RoL and were welcoming the idea of a non-fireworks, different form of entertainment.

RoL falls flat, has poor pacing, and to many people is boring. That has nothing to do with whether there is IP or fireworks in it or not.
 
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