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CaptainMichael

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Hummer1676 said:
It was popular with the diehards. It was a classic club as there have been no other clubs like it. It was improv comedy with skit. If you like improv, this was great. It is disappointing and hopefully something of the sort will come up again. I was a fan and will miss it, and know that Disney will learn from it.
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It is also important to note that it was also popular with the convention crowd.
 
Phonedave

Phonedave

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Figment632 said:
My one question on this topic is was this place as popular as people on the boards make it out to be, or did it have attendence issues?

If it really was that popular and making money, why not keep it open? Disney seems to be doing some brainless things lately :brick:
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It was popular, but it was also popular with a very specific crowd, especialy CM's.

I don't know if this is indeed true or not, but my take on it is

a) I would guess, off the bat, that on a "normal" operating night 80% of the people in there had annual PI passes - so no cover charge revenue there.

b) Most people seemed to drink, but it was not the sort of club to go to and get hammerd (not that I would know anything about that :) ) so maybe 2-3 person on average.

c) You had on a given night, just guessing, at least 3 bartenders, 3 bar backs, about 4 or 5 house CM's, and around 6 equity actors. More than that count on a busy night.

Add that all up, plus utilites, upkeep, insurance, licences, etc etc. and it does not sound a like a very profitable venture.

-dave
 
hardcard

hardcard

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Fine.. as long as you can continue to post about the false-hope that the AC will return.. I'll continue to post "Yay!!! Bob Iger Finally Said on the Record that AC isn't returning! Yay!!" in the threads as well.. whats fair is fair.. right?
 
Hummer1676

Hummer1676

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hardcard said:
Fine.. as long as you can continue to post about the false-hope that the AC will return.. I'll continue to post "Yay!!! Bob Iger Finally Said on the Record that AC isn't returning! Yay!!" in the threads as well.. whats fair is fair.. right?
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No reason to throw salt on a wound.

The club might have done better if they would have opened the upstairs as a restaurant and kept the bottom as a club. There was enough space and it could have logistaclly been worked out. But oh well....
 
71jason

71jason

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Phonedave said:
It was popular, but it was also popular with a very specific crowd, especialy CM's.

I don't know if this is indeed true or not, but my take on it is

a) I would guess, off the bat, that on a "normal" operating night 80% of the people in there had annual PI passes - so no cover charge revenue there.

b) Most people seemed to drink, but it was not the sort of club to go to and get hammerd (not that I would know anything about that :) ) so maybe 2-3 person on average.

c) You had on a given night, just guessing, at least 3 bartenders, 3 bar backs, about 4 or 5 house CM's, and around 6 equity actors. More than that count on a busy night.

Add that all up, plus utilites, upkeep, insurance, licences, etc etc. and it does not sound a like a very profitable venture.

-dave
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Your employee numbers are off. Let's say post-9/11, 2 bartenders (very rarely 3, with one upstairs, but this was nights it was packed), 1 barback (shared with BET), 2 house CMs plus two ticket-takers at any given time, and 8 equity actors.

I think your AP number is off as well. Maybe on Sundays/Mondays, but not on the weekends, and certainly not during Spring Break or when a convention was in town. Also, even three drinks a person can be a nice profit when they're $7-$10 a pop. Really, the influx of non-drinking CMs came in the last two years when Disney gave CMs admission every night of the week, then quickly panicked when Motion was overrun with underage CPs and kicked the under-21s out of everywhere but the comedy clubs.

Repeating what's been said many times before--and much more eloquently by WDW1974--you have to look at the whole island, tho. The AC didn't exist in a vaccum, and it was never intended to do so--it was just a cog in the PI machine. This is like arguing if Space Mountain was profitable if all of MK were to close--it's impossible to judge that one aspect.
 
Monty

Monty

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Hummer1676 said:
No reason to throw salt on a wound.
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Ah, but Hardcard seems to think he is obliged to open any thread that shows up and thereby considers this thread an affront to his delicate sensitivities... So he has to contribute his caustic input in order that others can suffer as he clearly is. :rolleyes:

The concept of not opening a thread that holds no interest for him is foreign. :shrug:
 
Phonedave

Phonedave

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71jason said:
Your employee numbers are off. Let's say post-9/11, 2 bartenders (very rarely 3, with one upstairs, but this was nights it was packed), 1 barback (shared with BET), 2 house CMs plus two ticket-takers at any given time, and 8 equity actors.

I think your AP number is off as well. Maybe on Sundays/Mondays, but not on the weekends, and certainly not during Spring Break or when a convention was in town. Also, even three drinks a person can be a nice profit when they're $7-$10 a pop. Really, the influx of non-drinking CMs came in the last two years when Disney gave CMs admission every night of the week, then quickly panicked when Motion was overrun with underage CPs and kicked the under-21s out of everywhere but the comedy clubs.

Repeating what's been said many times before--and much more eloquently by WDW1974--you have to look at the whole island, tho. The AC didn't exist in a vaccum, and it was never intended to do so--it was just a cog in the PI machine. This is like arguing if Space Mountain was profitable if all of MK were to close--it's impossible to judge that one aspect.
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I just wonder how profitable all of PI was. When you start letting CM's in for free and have the problem of the AP it starts adding up.

Again, I don't have any hard numbers, but with the AP paying for itself in 4 nights, I would think they would be quite prevalent. 2 or 3 drinks is profitable, but nowhere near as profitable as 4 or 5 drinks :) along with a nightly $10 a head cover. But then a cover like that would kill a lot of what was their regular customer base.

-dave
 
DoctorPrius

DoctorPrius

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Phonedave said:
I just wonder how profitable all of PI was. When you start letting CM's in for free and have the problem of the AP it starts adding up.

Again, I don't have any hard numbers, but with the AP paying for itself in 4 nights, I would think they would be quite prevalent. 2 or 3 drinks is profitable, but nowhere near as profitable as 4 or 5 drinks :) along with a nightly $10 a head cover. But then a cover like that would kill a lot of what was their regular customer base.

-dave
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I think Pleasure Island was profitable initially but by the mid 90s better venues opened in the Orlando area that didn't have the Disney "kiddie" stigma. Then by 2000-2001 Citywalk opened at Universal and started eating disney's lunch.
 
epcotWSC

epcotWSC

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I'm sure Extra Evening Magic Hours also harmed PI. Why go to PI when you can stay in Epcot or MK until midnight (epcot) or later (MK)?
 
bgraham34

bgraham34

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I did not goto PI because I was so tired from spending my day in the parks. My legs just could not do it anymore. I do believe AC will return one day. Maybe way down the line.
 
epcotWSC

epcotWSC

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CaptainMichael said:
Not a problem now when everything is closed by 9:30. WDW is a very boring place at night now.:mad:
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In June MK will start being open a bit later again. After the 7th it will be 10pm - 12am. Plus any EMH at night. Also Epcot will continue to close at 9PM (12PM on EMH nights, although didn't Epcot used to close at 11pm? or maybe I'm forgetful).

So I assume that July and August will be somewhat normal in terms of hours. September through November I guess depends on the economy and how many people book trips.
 
Figment632

Figment632

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Would you guys be opposed to PI only being open during peak season? If they did that they wouldn't have to worry about not being busy enough and losing money.
 
Einselen

Einselen

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I would not look too much into Iger's comment:

1) The shareholder asked about moving AC to DTD in Cali.
2) Right now Disney is happy just hosting private events/shows at AC. There is even shows scheduled all the way in September so even if they did open it to the public it would not be until the end of 2009 if that is the earliest.

With number 2 point that could mean right now there are plans to bring back AC but in 6 months Disney will re-look at the situation and decide there is a cover per person with no Annual Pass (think Jellyrolls) and a 2 drink minimum per person (hypothetical) and bring back AC.
 

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